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 Cucking Funt  Clapham on the Back 21 Aug 15 6.23pm |
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When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted. Today, until the 10th of Sept.
Alot of peeps seem to think Corbyn will take Labour back to the bad ole days.
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When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted. Today, until the 10th of Sept.
Alot of peeps seem to think Corbyn will take Labour back to the bad ole days.
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Percy of Peckham  Eton Mess 21 Aug 15 6.42pm |
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Quote JL85 at 21 Aug 2015 6.31pm
Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 6.07pm
Quote JL85 at 21 Aug 2015 5.43pm
Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 5.17pm
When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted. Today, until the 10th of Sept.
Alot of peeps seem to think Corbyn will take Labour back to the bad ole days.
I agree ...and new Labour is getting old now. Bring back the Whigs!
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 21 Aug 15 7.31pm |
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Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Aug 2015 6.42pm
Quote JL85 at 21 Aug 2015 6.31pm
Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 6.07pm
Quote JL85 at 21 Aug 2015 5.43pm
Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 5.17pm
When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted. Today, until the 10th of Sept.
Alot of peeps seem to think Corbyn will take Labour back to the bad ole days.
I agree ...and new Labour is getting old now. Bring back the Whigs! Surely too soon to rehabilitate Gary Glitter?
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Ouzo Dan  Behind you 21 Aug 15 8.15pm |
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I actually think someone like Corbyn would be good for Labour.
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| fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 21 Aug 15 8.57pm |
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As has been said on this thread, all the candidates are uninspiring, and Labour and their policies are just a load of old dross. The politics of spite and envy.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Aug 15 10.05pm |
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Quote fed up eagle at 21 Aug 2015 8.57pm
As has been said on this thread, all the candidates are uninspiring, and Labour and their policies are just a load of old dross. The politics of spite and envy.
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Aug 15 8.10am |
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Quote serial thriller at 21 Aug 2015 5.42pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am
I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view.
If people are voting for Corbyn, its because they agree with his policies, and that in a nutshell I how democracy works. To sneer at conviction in people's political decisions is to support the concept that politics is an intransigent and hopelessly narrow cult, and that compromise to the point of acceptance and submission is the only position worth taking. It is actually this exact dogma that I think people are rejecting by supporting Corbyn. Do I think Corbyn can win? Absolutely, and I become more and more convinced he can win every day his campaign continues to surge against almost exclusive media cynicism. Why do I think so? Well firstly his case is different to other left-leaning predecessors in that it has been supported by one of the biggest grass roots political surges in recent memory. Labour now have more than 4x the number of members the tories do. 4 times! And I imagine the age average is a darn sight younger than those in the blue corner. As the Obama campaign and the snp found out, a young mobilised membership is priceless when it comes to campaigning. The other two reasons I think he can win is the two potentially momentous political dates coming up. 1) is the eu referendum, which could totally split the tories and leave labour looking positively united. The other is interest rates rising and the massive hit the governments coffers will take when they do go up. Given what's going on in the eurozone and china currently, another recession/black Monday moment is certainly not inconceivable, and Corbyn's anti austerity message could be hammered him in the face of it. Of course it will be difficult, especially keeping the party together should he win, but to suggest it's a foregone conclusion is myopic and arrogant imo. As for Murdoch, would you not say Johnny that given Corbyn's views are clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population, it is at least odd that a supposedly free press contains not 1 major newspaper showing anything other than hostility towards him?
Edited by matt_himself (22 Aug 2015 8.10am)
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| Hoof Hearted 22 Aug 15 9.36am | |
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Quote serial thriller at 21 Aug 2015 5.42pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am
I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view.
If people are voting for Corbyn, its because they agree with his policies, and that in a nutshell I how democracy works. To sneer at conviction in people's political decisions is to support the concept that politics is an intransigent and hopelessly narrow cult, and that compromise to the point of acceptance and submission is the only position worth taking. It is actually this exact dogma that I think people are rejecting by supporting Corbyn. Do I think Corbyn can win? Absolutely, and I become more and more convinced he can win every day his campaign continues to surge against almost exclusive media cynicism. Why do I think so? Well firstly his case is different to other left-leaning predecessors in that it has been supported by one of the biggest grass roots political surges in recent memory. Labour now have more than 4x the number of members the tories do. 4 times! And I imagine the age average is a darn sight younger than those in the blue corner. As the Obama campaign and the snp found out, a young mobilised membership is priceless when it comes to campaigning. The other two reasons I think he can win is the two potentially momentous political dates coming up. 1) is the eu referendum, which could totally split the tories and leave labour looking positively united. The other is interest rates rising and the massive hit the governments coffers will take when they do go up. Given what's going on in the eurozone and china currently, another recession/black Monday moment is certainly not inconceivable, and Corbyn's anti austerity message could be hammered him in the face of it. Of course it will be difficult, especially keeping the party together should he win, but to suggest it's a foregone conclusion is myopic and arrogant imo. As for Murdoch, would you not say Johnny that given Corbyn's views are clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population, it is at least odd that a supposedly free press contains not 1 major newspaper showing anything other than hostility towards him?
Corbyn is getting the same treatment from the newspapers that Farage is/was getting. And for the record, Corbyn's views are NOT "clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population". Far from it.... more people are/were shared by Farage's views and he and his party floundered at the last election. It is you that is myopic if you actually believe that Labour will be in a good place with Corbyn at the helm. Only dyed in the wool lefties are rejoicing at this situation, but they will soon be regretting their actions as this lengthens Labour's period in opposition or worse.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 22 Aug 15 9.39am |
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The Left's belief in Jeremy Corbyn is like listening to a child talk about Father Christmas.
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| JL85 London,SE9 22 Aug 15 10.08pm |
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Was interesting to see Louis Mensch's attempt to slur Corbyn supporters as ant-semitic backfire so spectacularly on Twitter last night. Edited by JL85 (22 Aug 2015 10.10pm) Edited by JL85 (22 Aug 2015 10.10pm)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 23 Aug 15 3.15pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Aug 2015 9.36am
Quote serial thriller at 21 Aug 2015 5.42pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am
I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view.
If people are voting for Corbyn, its because they agree with his policies, and that in a nutshell I how democracy works. To sneer at conviction in people's political decisions is to support the concept that politics is an intransigent and hopelessly narrow cult, and that compromise to the point of acceptance and submission is the only position worth taking. It is actually this exact dogma that I think people are rejecting by supporting Corbyn. Do I think Corbyn can win? Absolutely, and I become more and more convinced he can win every day his campaign continues to surge against almost exclusive media cynicism. Why do I think so? Well firstly his case is different to other left-leaning predecessors in that it has been supported by one of the biggest grass roots political surges in recent memory. Labour now have more than 4x the number of members the tories do. 4 times! And I imagine the age average is a darn sight younger than those in the blue corner. As the Obama campaign and the snp found out, a young mobilised membership is priceless when it comes to campaigning. The other two reasons I think he can win is the two potentially momentous political dates coming up. 1) is the eu referendum, which could totally split the tories and leave labour looking positively united. The other is interest rates rising and the massive hit the governments coffers will take when they do go up. Given what's going on in the eurozone and china currently, another recession/black Monday moment is certainly not inconceivable, and Corbyn's anti austerity message could be hammered him in the face of it. Of course it will be difficult, especially keeping the party together should he win, but to suggest it's a foregone conclusion is myopic and arrogant imo. As for Murdoch, would you not say Johnny that given Corbyn's views are clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population, it is at least odd that a supposedly free press contains not 1 major newspaper showing anything other than hostility towards him?
Corbyn is getting the same treatment from the newspapers that Farage is/was getting. And for the record, Corbyn's views are NOT "clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population". Far from it.... more people are/were shared by Farage's views and he and his party floundered at the last election. It is you that is myopic if you actually believe that Labour will be in a good place with Corbyn at the helm. Only dyed in the wool lefties are rejoicing at this situation, but they will soon be regretting their actions as this lengthens Labour's period in opposition or worse.
Of course, public perception changes, and that is something else you have to factor in. Should the leader of the opposition take positions against austerity, against military intervention, against widespread outsourcing, it is likely that more of the public will be convinced by views which have until now been largely kept out of mainstream discourse. That's exemplified no better than by Farage, who brought immigration and Europe in to the mainstream. To suggest that UKIP 'floundered' at the last election is ludicrous as well: they got about 3 million more votes than in 2010, but more significantly they steered the Tories to the right on the issues of immigration and still threaten to split the party apart over Europe. Were there to be a proper voting system in this country rather than FPTP, chances are they'd be in government with the Tories now.
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