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EddieMac Flag 09 Mar 21 9.41am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Even if Leeds are defeated they will still be a point ahead of us with a far superior goal difference and a game in hand.

I think we both know that goal difference is not going to decide who goes down this year and there is no denying that if we are in a relegation dogfight then so are Leeds are Wolves.

Edited by EddieMac (09 Mar 2021 9.56am)

 

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EddieMac Flag 09 Mar 21 9.42am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Scotty Parker has assembled a team of loanees to beat anyone!!!

Beat anyone ? You mean beat 5 teams with Palace not being 1 of them.

 

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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 09 Mar 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Beat anyone ? You mean beat 5 teams with Palace not being 1 of them.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 09 Mar 21 11.58am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Eaglecoops, let me try in the shortest possible way try to elaborate as you have requested. Firstly let's start with the team inherited by Roy, this team did try and play the expansive football that many are requesting, both under Pardew in the second half of his last full season with us and again under FdB and the results speak for themselves. To be fair expansive football did get to the cup finale with Pardew but it was at the expense of league form (we hardly earned any PL points from the start January until May that year) and would have almost certainly been relegated had it not been for the points that we earned in the first half of that season. Roy came in when we failed to get any points from any of the seven(from memory) expansive games under Fdv. Roy quickly assessed that the players we had were not capable of that type of football because of skill their set or whatever and from then on organised the team that best suited their ability and to get a balance right to gain points rather than play football that was good on the eye. In doing so he has kept us up year on year even though he made no secret of his desire for new players, he was not supported in that respect, including putting up with one of our best defenders in years (AWB) being sold off, with the money not being re-invested in the squad, he stuck to his task, when others may have walked away. Most good experience managers would want a spend budget when taking on a top job in PL or they will not come as it is their reputation that is on the line. Secondly, player with limited PL experience, we cannot afford to splash the cash at the top end of the market and our antecedence says we tend to obtain players who are either coming to the end of the careers or they are fringe players in their existing PL team,often because they are either not quite good enough for regular first team football or are prone to injury or are just injured. Therefore we will need to find good quality players probably either from overseas or from the lower UK leagues, who are unproven in the PL and the just hope the cost benefit ratio works out under a skillful manager.

As for learning their trade quickly, if they have limited or no PL experience then it a big adjustment to be able play in the PL at the pace and physicality that is required, otherwise we will end up in a relegation battle. The large number of changes required this summer with 12 players out of contract will require a major re-organisation of the squad with some players having to be replaced. This will leave us with a largely unproven first team in this league so the effect will not be disimular to a team coming up for the first time from the championship thus leaving us exposed to the risks that come with that. I do not think I said we were guaranteed to relegated I was just stating that there is a greater risk with any major change in players and maybe also a manager.

Finally, there are many examples of teams that have been starved of investment in the playing squad whilst in the PL or the old 1st division and who fans wanted more attractive football (Charlton, Bolton, Portsmouth,stoke and sunderland), to name just a few.

Concluding, I'm more than happy to be mid table in PL than being in the lower leagues. Being in and retaining PL status is good for the club financially, with the
great revenue that brings. That not to say I do not like expansive and entertaining football, I do, but when it come to my team I have to be realistic and accept that survival in PL comes with sacrifice!

Completely agree! and couldnt put it better myself!

I am happy with hodgson! and also say a new manager comes in once the honeymoon period ends and we go on a loosing run of 5 games in a row which we do once or twice a season its so hard to get out of! Hodgson gets us out of those runs and gets results when they are needed! I think we are at the last stages of the manager merry go round where they have pl experience and can pull us out of a loosing run aswell.

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 09 Mar 21 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Beat anyone ? You mean beat 5 teams with Palace not being 1 of them.

They came pretty close though to beating us.

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 09 Mar 21 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

They came pretty close though to beating us.

But they never did they. No points for “pretty close though” , ask Brighton.

 

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redshift Flag Toronto 09 Mar 21 6.29pm Send a Private Message to redshift Add redshift as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Fulham of course have given themselves a fighting chance of survival but in the final analysis they have only won 3 of their last 10 games and 1 of those was against Sheff Utd ,furthermore they have only scored 7 goals in those games.

And we've won 3 of our last 10 and scored 8 goals. Does that mean we're roughly the same ability wise?

If so we're lucky we have points in hand.

Edited by redshift (09 Mar 2021 6.31pm)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Mar 21 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by redshift

And we've won 3 of our last 10 and scored 8 goals. Does that mean we're roughly the same ability wise?

If so we're lucky we have points in hand.

Edited by redshift (09 Mar 2021 6.31pm)

With respect I wasn't making a comparision between our form and that of Fulham's over the same number of games.

I was merely alluding to the fact that Fulham have given themselves a fighting chance of survival but it has not been the result of a succession of victories or a torrent of goals.Perhaps the lauding of Fulham has been over-egged!

 

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EddieMac Flag 09 Mar 21 7.37pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

They came pretty close though to beating us.

Nearly never won the race.

 

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EddieMac Flag 09 Mar 21 7.46pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

I am not worried in the slightest about us getting relegated and I relish the thoughts of the teams below us picking up points so it keeps us playing right till the death so the season doesn’t fizzle out to nothing for us.

Fulham have played with no fear because they were dead men walking with nothing to lose but it will be interesting to see how they play when they have something to lose.

Newcastle are looking most likely to go down at the moment but I have a feeling they will somehow nick enough points.

I would absolutely love Brighton to get relegated.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 10 Mar 21 1.18pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I am not worried in the slightest about us getting relegated and I relish the thoughts of the teams below us picking up points so it keeps us playing right till the death so the season doesn’t fizzle out to nothing for us.

Fulham have played with no fear because they were dead men walking with nothing to lose but it will be interesting to see how they play when they have something to lose.

Newcastle are looking most likely to go down at the moment but I have a feeling they will somehow nick enough points.

I would absolutely love Brighton to get relegated.

Think Fulham's rise more one of their team taking time to bed. Their squad is probably better than ours.

 

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Sthlondonuk Flag STH NORWOOD 10 Mar 21 9.48pm Send a Private Message to Sthlondonuk Add Sthlondonuk as a friend

The secret of Fulham's success is very few injuries every season we seem to pick up a large number at the same time.

Lots of posts over the years about why and in summary it seems to be having an ageing squad, Roy's reluctance to rotate the players , late or non existent substitutions and a ridiculous number of training ground injuries.

If we can bring in a few younger and less injury prone players we might be able to be more ambitious and stop flirting with relegation every year

 

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