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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 27 Mar 17 6.01pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Is it, I think we've done more to restrict our basic freedoms in countering Islamic Terrorism related to fundamentalists, than any Islamist group could ever really hope to achieve. An unassailable point well made and well worth illustrating by a comparison to the UK policy of business as usual in the face of Irish terrorists in the last century. We are the most pervasively tracked population on Earth and successive governments directly support regimes that promote radical wahhabi Islam - something that's supposed to be an existential threat to our very civilisation and the driver behind the need to further increase surveillance. Something about that equation doesn't smell right to me. Edited by Mr_Gristle (27 Mar 2017 6.02pm) Edited by Mr_Gristle (27 Mar 2017 6.04pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 27 Mar 17 6.01pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Is it, I think we've done more to restrict our basic freedoms in countering Islamic Terrorism related to fundamentalists, than any Islamist group could ever really hope to achieve.

An unassailable point well made and well worth illustrating by a comparison to the UK policy of business as usual in the face of Irish terrorists in the last century.

We are the most pervasively tracked population on Earth and successive governments directly support regimes that promote radical wahhabi Islam - something that's supposed to be an existential threat to our very civilisation and the driver behind the need to further increase surveillance.

Something about that equation doesn't smell right to me.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (27 Mar 2017 6.02pm)

Edited by Mr_Gristle (27 Mar 2017 6.04pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 6.15pm
So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim.
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Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 6.15pm

So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim.

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Stirlingsays 27 Mar 17 6.24pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim. Yeah for sure, I should imagine you'd get all the Islamic apologists' vote. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2017 6.25pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Mar 17 6.24pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim.

Yeah for sure, I should imagine you'd get all the Islamic apologists' vote.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2017 6.25pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Mar 17 6.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Is it, I think we've done more to restrict our basic freedoms in countering Islamic Terrorism related to fundamentalists, than any Islamist group could ever really hope to achieve. Of course those represented in immigration tend to be fleeing or escaping from Islamic fundamentalists. Its hard to find many adherents of the Islamic Revolutionary Movement of Iran in the UK. I've known four people who came here to escape Iran, none of them are pro-Iran (although in fairness two of them aren't Muslim). If the government is using terrorism as an excuse for surveillance then surely mass immigration is part of that strategy of divide and control. If not, then surveillance has become more necessary as a result of immigration alone. One or the other. If surveillance is just a result of the advancement of technology or a general desire to fight crime then it has nothing to do with either terrorism or immigration but just happens to coincide.
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27 Mar 17 6.27pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Is it, I think we've done more to restrict our basic freedoms in countering Islamic Terrorism related to fundamentalists, than any Islamist group could ever really hope to achieve.

Of course those represented in immigration tend to be fleeing or escaping from Islamic fundamentalists. Its hard to find many adherents of the Islamic Revolutionary Movement of Iran in the UK. I've known four people who came here to escape Iran, none of them are pro-Iran (although in fairness two of them aren't Muslim).

If the government is using terrorism as an excuse for surveillance then surely mass immigration is part of that strategy of divide and control. If not, then surveillance has become more necessary as a result of immigration alone. One or the other.

If surveillance is just a result of the advancement of technology or a general desire to fight crime then it has nothing to do with either terrorism or immigration but just happens to coincide.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Mar 17 6.28pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim. Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. Complete coincidence that he changed his name from Adian Elms to Khalid Masood. Totally irrelevant that he was a convert to Islam. Complete chance that his modus operandi was the same as attacks by Muslim terrorists in Europe. How can people be so stupid to think that it might have a little bit to do with him being a Muslim. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 27 Mar 17 6.28pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim.

Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. Complete coincidence that he changed his name from Adian Elms to Khalid Masood. Totally irrelevant that he was a convert to Islam. Complete chance that his modus operandi was the same as attacks by Muslim terrorists in Europe. How can people be so stupid to think that it might have a little bit to do with him being a Muslim.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 17 6.30pm
Interesting post Mr.G. Its not enough to say he was just an unhinged nutter tho as this attack is a copy of other attacks in France and Germany. As he died we don't have much chance of finding out but there must be some shared intelligence between these people.
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Croydon 27 Mar 17 6.30pm

Interesting post Mr.G.

Its not enough to say he was just an unhinged nutter tho as this attack is a copy of other attacks in France and Germany.

As he died we don't have much chance of finding out but there must be some shared intelligence between these people.

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elgrande bedford 27 Mar 17 6.34pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Interesting post Mr.G. Its not enough to say he was just an unhinged nutter tho as this attack is a copy of other attacks in France and Germany. As he died we don't have much chance of finding out but there must be some shared intelligence between these people. f*** me a sensible post from steeleye20, Well done that man. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 27 Mar 17 6.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Interesting post Mr.G.

Its not enough to say he was just an unhinged nutter tho as this attack is a copy of other attacks in France and Germany.

As he died we don't have much chance of finding out but there must be some shared intelligence between these people.

f*** me a sensible post from steeleye20,
Well done that man.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Mar 17 6.59pm
Originally posted by elgrande f* me a sensible post from steeleye20, Well done that man. His mum wrote it. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 27 Mar 17 6.59pm

Originally posted by elgrande

f*** me a sensible post from steeleye20,
Well done that man.

His mum wrote it.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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elgrande bedford 27 Mar 17 7.01pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt His mum wrote it. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 27 Mar 17 7.01pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

His mum wrote it.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.49pm
Originally posted by elgrande I have nothing to declare except my genius
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Croydon 27 Mar 17 7.49pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I have nothing to declare except my genius

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Mar 17 7.55pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim. Only if religious fundamentalism is in itself a mental illness. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Mar 2017 7.56pm)
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27 Mar 17 7.55pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim.

Only if religious fundamentalism is in itself a mental illness.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Mar 2017 7.56pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 8.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah for sure, I should imagine you'd get all the Islamic apologists' vote. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2017 6.25pm) The word apologist seems to be riposte of the moment. Has anyone on here actually apologised for Islamic fundamentalists? I don't think so. So how is anyone here an apologist?
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Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 17 8.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah for sure, I should imagine you'd get all the Islamic apologists' vote.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2017 6.25pm)

The word apologist seems to be riposte of the moment.

Has anyone on here actually apologised for Islamic fundamentalists? I don't think so. So how is anyone here an apologist?

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