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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 5.26pm

Originally posted by Stuk

You are or you aren't, they don't expire. Some might suggest you're making this up to suit your story...

A competent advisor (with qualifications coming out of their arse) would only charge a few hundred quid per annum, and would do reports on request.

Are you accusing me of lying? I've attended two week long residential (HSE endorsed)courses for NUT h+s reps which allows me to carry out h+s inspections in school premises.


A random pick of H+S inspection services via Google shows the cost.

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Edited by nickgusset (12 Dec 2016 5.31pm)

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 12 Dec 16 6.38pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you accusing me of lying? I've attended two week long residential (HSE endorsed)courses for NUT h+s reps which allows me to carry out h+s inspections in school premises.


A random pick of H+S inspection services via Google shows the cost.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (12 Dec 2016 5.31pm)

And who payed for these two lots of jollys......tax payers by any chance

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 12 Dec 16 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you accusing me of lying? I've attended two week long residential (HSE endorsed)courses for NUT h+s reps which allows me to carry out h+s inspections in school premises.


A random pick of H+S inspection services via Google shows the cost.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (12 Dec 2016 5.31pm)

You said "I was" and you either are or you aren't. Like being a teacher, it is not something that expires.

Random pick all you like. Some of us actually pay for these things out of our own pockets and know what it costs.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 12 Dec 16 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Back to the point

Management is always responsible for a strike.

But of course not in this case as every ASLEF and RMT member is a commie nut job bent on the destruction of the City of London and setting up the new micro-nation centred in the heart of radicalism known as Lewes.

There must be a reason why management played this as it did. Clearly not a simple business reason, so some other explanation must hold. I don't believe management was so incredibly poor at employee relations that it sleep-walked into this situation.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 7.34pm

Originally posted by elgrande

And who payed for these two lots of jollys......tax payers by any chance

I don't know. I think it's mainly from union subs. When you find out, let us know.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 7.36pm

Originally posted by Stuk

You said "I was" and you either are or you aren't. Like being a teacher, it is not something that expires.

Random pick all you like. Some of us actually pay for these things out of our own pockets and know what it costs.

I used to have the role of school then area h+s rep for the NUT. But I don't anymore.

If a teacher changes profession are they still a teacher even if they don't teach anymore.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 12 Dec 16 7.38pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I used to have the role of school then area h+s rep for the NUT. But I don't anymore.

If a teacher changes profession are they still a teacher even if they don't teach anymore.

I don't know I was a cab driver for 30 years,I'm not now...but am I still a cab driver..lol

 


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Only 10 a year!! Flag 12 Dec 16 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Only 10 a year!! Add Only 10 a year!! as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I was, think I need to do a refresher. I carried out twelve or so inspections over 3 years. The inspections took around half a day with more time to wrote reports. Do you think an agency would do this for less than £250 a time

I usually just read these boards for light relief. It is not often something genuinely raises my eyebrows but I don't want to get involved in any back and forth nonsense so I will just state my thoughts.

I would expect (and I get) for the amount of money you state.

An Annual comprehensive H&S audit with an executive summary, action plan with timeframes and RAG ratings. (Audit should last full day)
A termly review with report (half day audit)
An Annual Fire Safety inspection (not sure you would be accredited to do this)
An appointed representative for support and consultancy
available at all times
An indemnity for all advice given
Access to Online accredited H&S courses for all staff
A library of template risk assessments
and more... (also a supplier that is recommended by a leading educational body like NASBM etc)

And the most important thing is that this is independent and not someone working for the school which would give the Local Governing Body or Trust Board quality assurance. No body/board I've sat on would sanction what you suggest.

I would want someone with your training/experience to lead a h&s committee which would be very useful.

The safeguarding of hundreds of school children and also staff should not be taken lightly.

I'm honestly not having a pop I just thought it was strange and not something I'd seen before.

Also not sure what costs you googled (didn't look) but I can assure you the above is not costly especially after negotiation.

 

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 12 Dec 16 8.09pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

At least it's not only Willo that makes threads about him. (Whether intentionally or unintentionally).

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 16 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

That's why I said it makes me a little uncomfortable with it.
But they do get the going rate for leading a large organisation...

As I thought. It's all about jobs for the boys. This isn't about safety - it's about protecting (soon to be obsolete) jobs. And the sooner the rank and file realise that their union overlords are stiffing them in the same way that the 'bosses' are, the better. GTR are demonstrably a shower of c*nts but ASLEF/RMT aren't exactly showering themselves with glory, either.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 12 Dec 16 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Only 10 a year!!

I usually just read these boards for light relief. It is not often something genuinely raises my eyebrows but I don't want to get involved in any back and forth nonsense so I will just state my thoughts.

I would expect (and I get) for the amount of money you state.

An Annual comprehensive H&S audit with an executive summary, action plan with timeframes and RAG ratings. (Audit should last full day)
A termly review with report (half day audit)
An Annual Fire Safety inspection (not sure you would be accredited to do this)
An appointed representative for support and consultancy
available at all times
An indemnity for all advice given
Access to Online accredited H&S courses for all staff
A library of template risk assessments
and more... (also a supplier that is recommended by a leading educational body like NASBM etc)

And the most important thing is that this is independent and not someone working for the school which would give the Local Governing Body or Trust Board quality assurance. No body/board I've sat on would sanction what you suggest.

I would want someone with your training/experience to lead a h&s committee which would be very useful.

The safeguarding of hundreds of school children and also staff should not be taken lightly.

I'm honestly not having a pop I just thought it was strange and not something I'd seen before.

Also not sure what costs you googled (didn't look) but I can assure you the above is not costly especially after negotiation.

Like I said, some may suggest...

 


Optimistic as ever

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jeeagles Flag 12 Dec 16 10.50pm

If this strike had any justification the RMT and ASLEF members would have a picket line at the Selhurst Depot on Wednesday evening.

They've exploited hard working people for far too long. They are massively overpaid, and act like a mafia cartel.

This current run of strikes is purely down to the fact they know that technology will soon be introduced to make them all redundant.

 

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