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7mins In the bush 07 Aug 16 6.17pm
The reason is simple, blacks commit more crime. Solve that and we'll make huge progress
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The reason is simple, blacks commit more crime. Solve that and we'll make huge progress

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Aug 16 10.23am
Originally posted by 7mins The reason is simple, blacks commit more crime. Solve that and we'll make huge progress prepare for incoming Edited by dannyh (08 Aug 2016 10.26am) Attachment: balls.jpg (7.44Kb) "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Originally posted by 7mins

The reason is simple, blacks commit more crime. Solve that and we'll make huge progress

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"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Aug 16 10.26am
Originally posted by dannyh prepare for incoming Attachment: balls.jpg (7.44Kb) "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Originally posted by dannyh

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 16 10.50am
Originally posted by 7mins The reason is simple, blacks commit more crime. Solve that and we'll make huge progress Incorrect, they commit disproportionate amount of crime, statistically. White people commit more crime in the US, than black people. However, that would mean in terms of police 'racial experience' would mean that by and far, most police officers would still experience more white criminals - given that around 80-85% of the population is white. Statistically speaking, this idea doesn't really justify 'racial difference in behaviour by the police'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 Aug 16 10.50am

Originally posted by 7mins

The reason is simple, blacks commit more crime. Solve that and we'll make huge progress

Incorrect, they commit disproportionate amount of crime, statistically. White people commit more crime in the US, than black people.

However, that would mean in terms of police 'racial experience' would mean that by and far, most police officers would still experience more white criminals - given that around 80-85% of the population is white.

Statistically speaking, this idea doesn't really justify 'racial difference in behaviour by the police'.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Aug 16 11.08am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Incorrect, they commit disproportionate amount of crime, statistically. White people commit more crime in the US, than black people. However, that would mean in terms of police 'racial experience' would mean that by and far, most police officers would still experience more white criminals - given that around 80-85% of the population is white. Statistically speaking, this idea doesn't really justify 'racial difference in behaviour by the police'. This is all rather spurious. If your town has 12% black people and they commit say 80% of the violent crime then that will be enough to influence attitudes. In truth there is no argument to justify the illegal killing of suspects by the police but police culture obviously creates certain attitudes and a certain interpretation of procedure. I would try to put all this in perspective and not be lead by media sensationalism. People die every day in the US through gun crime and none of that makes international news. The police are between us and the criminals and despite their shortcomings, we are in their debt. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Aug 2016 11.09am)
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Incorrect, they commit disproportionate amount of crime, statistically. White people commit more crime in the US, than black people.

Statistically speaking, this idea doesn't really justify 'racial difference in behaviour by the police'.

This is all rather spurious. If your town has 12% black people and they commit say 80% of the violent crime then that will be enough to influence attitudes.

In truth there is no argument to justify the illegal killing of suspects by the police but police culture obviously creates certain attitudes and a certain interpretation of procedure.
I would try to put all this in perspective and not be lead by media sensationalism. People die every day in the US through gun crime and none of that makes international news. The police are between us and the criminals and despite their shortcomings, we are in their debt.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 16 11.18am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is all rather spurious. If your town has 12% black people and they commit say 80% of the violent crime then that will be enough to influence attitudes. Quite. But that wouldn't explain the experience of prejudice in areas of low black population. As a defence, this only works if you switch from national to locally defined statistics, to suit your need. Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger In truth there is no argument to justify the illegal killing of suspects by the police but police culture obviously creates certain attitudes and a certain interpretation of procedure. Exactly, and the only point. The worrying propensity seems to be for the US police to be justified in shooting at the slightest possible risk or justification, and that the system has been 'rigged' to protect the state and county over the rights of the suspect. In truth, I think that states and county are happy for it to be about race, rather than competency, recruiting standards, training and protection - because then it reflects on politicians and they'd actually have to do something about it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 Aug 16 11.18am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is all rather spurious. If your town has 12% black people and they commit say 80% of the violent crime then that will be enough to influence attitudes.

Quite. But that wouldn't explain the experience of prejudice in areas of low black population. As a defence, this only works if you switch from national to locally defined statistics, to suit your need.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In truth there is no argument to justify the illegal killing of suspects by the police but police culture obviously creates certain attitudes and a certain interpretation of procedure.

Exactly, and the only point. The worrying propensity seems to be for the US police to be justified in shooting at the slightest possible risk or justification, and that the system has been 'rigged' to protect the state and county over the rights of the suspect.

In truth, I think that states and county are happy for it to be about race, rather than competency, recruiting standards, training and protection - because then it reflects on politicians and they'd actually have to do something about it.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Aug 16 11.25am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Exactly, and the only point. The worrying propensity seems to be for the US police to be justified in shooting at the slightest possible risk or justification, and that the system has been 'rigged' to protect the state and county over the rights of the suspect. In truth, I think that states and county are happy for it to be about race, rather than competency, recruiting standards, training and protection - because then it reflects on politicians and they'd actually have to do something about it. What you essentially have is different police forces across america, that have vastly varying degrees of training. We are fortunate over here to have one way of training our coppers, as we do for our Armed Forces, Paramedics, and Fireman. Even different states have different laws FFS, so in the name of all thats holy are you supposed to get an even playing field when it comes to policing. But I do think that in some areas, Black males commit proportionally more crime than white males in the same area. Why that is, I don't know. But I'm sure someone on here will tell me. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Aug 16 11.25am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

What you essentially have is different police forces across america, that have vastly varying degrees of training. We are fortunate over here to have one way of training our coppers, as we do for our Armed Forces, Paramedics, and Fireman.

Even different states have different laws FFS, so in the name of all thats holy are you supposed to get an even playing field when it comes to policing.

But I do think that in some areas, Black males commit proportionally more crime than white males in the same area. Why that is, I don't know.

But I'm sure someone on here will tell me.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 16 11.45am
Originally posted by dannyh What you essentially have is different police forces across america, that have vastly varying degrees of training. We are fortunate over here to have one way of training our coppers, as we do for our Armed Forces, Paramedics, and Fireman. Even different states have different laws FFS, so in the name of all thats holy are you supposed to get an even playing field when it comes to policing. But I do think that in some areas, Black males commit proportionally more crime than white males in the same area. Why that is, I don't know. But I'm sure someone on here will tell me. I suspect poverty and low income areas are more the issue than race. If you got to poor white areas and poor black areas in crime stats, you tend to see the same types of crimes and patterns existing - and similar cultural phenomena such as ethnic gangs operating and flourishing in those areas. But the main point is key here is that its the different levels of policing and standards that exist in the US that are the key problem here - and that is a big problem. Its notable that areas with high levels of training and recruitment standards, with better wage and careers, seem less problematic in he terms of these incidents. And I think its true that Black shootings by the police is just the visible part of the 'iceberg', and that this is only because the long prevalence of black civil rights movements and their functionality in US politics. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 Aug 16 11.45am

Originally posted by dannyh

Even different states have different laws FFS, so in the name of all thats holy are you supposed to get an even playing field when it comes to policing.

But I do think that in some areas, Black males commit proportionally more crime than white males in the same area. Why that is, I don't know.

But I'm sure someone on here will tell me.

I suspect poverty and low income areas are more the issue than race. If you got to poor white areas and poor black areas in crime stats, you tend to see the same types of crimes and patterns existing - and similar cultural phenomena such as ethnic gangs operating and flourishing in those areas.

But the main point is key here is that its the different levels of policing and standards that exist in the US that are the key problem here - and that is a big problem. Its notable that areas with high levels of training and recruitment standards, with better wage and careers, seem less problematic in he terms of these incidents.

And I think its true that Black shootings by the police is just the visible part of the 'iceberg', and that this is only because the long prevalence of black civil rights movements and their functionality in US politics.

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7mins In the bush 08 Aug 16 4.28pm
Poverty of moral values
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Poverty of moral values

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Aug 16 9.36am
Originally posted by 7mins Poverty of moral values Quite, the lack of moral values in capitalism, especially as exhibited in US capitalism, is a major driving force of creating social problems, especially among the poorest members of society. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Aug 16 9.36am

Originally posted by 7mins

Poverty of moral values

Quite, the lack of moral values in capitalism, especially as exhibited in US capitalism, is a major driving force of creating social problems, especially among the poorest members of society.

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Aug 16 10.46am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Quite, the lack of moral values in capitalism, especially as exhibited in US capitalism, is a major driving force of creating social problems, especially among the poorest members of society. Nice rhetoric but the effects of capitalism are a reflection of nature. The more able rise to the top and at some point control the game.This trend would result no matter what system was employed. Those who cannot succeed in the system sometimes resort to crime to compensate but poverty in itself is not a justification or a prerequisite to commit crime. Those who do are doing so to the detriment of others in society and must be subject to the rule of law. It is not really a question of the limits of capitalism but rather how the needs of a modern society fit the uncompromising and unavoidable rule of the survival of the fittest. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Aug 2016 10.48am)
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quite, the lack of moral values in capitalism, especially as exhibited in US capitalism, is a major driving force of creating social problems, especially among the poorest members of society.

Nice rhetoric but the effects of capitalism are a reflection of nature. The more able rise to the top and at some point control the game.This trend would result no matter what system was employed.

Those who cannot succeed in the system sometimes resort to crime to compensate but poverty in itself is not a justification or a prerequisite to commit crime.
Those who do are doing so to the detriment of others in society and must be subject to the rule of law. It is not really a question of the limits of capitalism but rather how the needs of a modern society fit the uncompromising and unavoidable rule of the survival of the fittest.

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