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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 8.51pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 27 Aug 2015 8.34pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 27 Aug 2015 11.05am
I often wonder what the pro immigration crowd would say if you removed the alleged financial benefit element from the scenario and just focused on migrant numbers. At what point would they say that we had taken in enough ? As I see it, they have a head in the sand attitude to all of this. Often in life, what seems fair and what is reasonable are two different things. It seems moral to allow refugees to Britain and also economic migrants to a lesser extent perhaps, but any reasonable person must see that uncontrolled numbers entering Britain will create a major problem in the future. With global population increasing, there will be an almost infinite stream of people migrating to Europe. This has to be controlled and soon. Anyone who doubts that is insane. The plight of people escaping war torn regions is distressing but we must have our rational heads on here. Asia and Africa's population will swell rapidly in the coming years. Are we to allow their overcrowding problems to become ours ? Shall we be happy when we have a lack of water, food and shelter because the population has reached mammoth levels ?
I wonder how people would feel if their operation was cancelled because of NHS staff shortages due to foreigners not being allowed to come over and work for the NHS. Are you really still peddling that lie ? The NHS has many migrants working in it because successive Governments failed to invest in training and recruitment of British workers. In any case,it doesn't matter how many migrant medical staff arrive here if the NHS can't afford to employ them. My local hospital is dreadful. I have recently had two experiences demonstrating a gob smacking inability to provide even basic procedures for potentially life threatening situations.
Dr Peter Carter, head of the Royal College of Nursing, is unequivocal in his analysis. He believes that had nurses and other workers not been recruited from overseas, the NHS simply could not have functioned. Looking to the future, he predicts that in three years' time there will be a deficit in the workforce in London and elsewhere, forcing hospitals to look overseas to fill the gap. Today there are 85,000 immigrant nurses registered in the UK and recent General Medical Council figures suggest 37% of all NHS doctors qualified abroad. If there is one institution where immigration has had a profound impact, it has to be the National Health Service. With a worldwide shortage of health workers, its reliance on immigrants looks set to continue.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 27 Aug 15 9.32pm |
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You didn't read my post did you. The reliance on migrant workers was created long ago by a failure to recruit, train and pay proper wages to British workers. I would hazard a guess that Government took the cheap option because increasing NI is a vote loser.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 9.36pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 27 Aug 2015 9.32pm
You didn't read my post did you. The reliance on migrant workers was created long ago by a failure to recruit, train and pay proper wages to British workers. I would hazard a guess that Government took the cheap option because increasing NI is a vote loser. I did, hence the question, then I expanded by explaining how many migrants there were. Contemporarily, I feel people are put off nursing by the cost of and debt burden from taking a degree
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Aug 15 9.45pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 27 Aug 2015 9.32pm
You didn't read my post did you. The reliance on migrant workers was created long ago by a failure to recruit, train and pay proper wages to British workers. I would hazard a guess that Government took the cheap option because increasing NI is a vote loser. I did, hence the question, then I expanded by explaining how many migrants there were. Contemporarily, I feel people are put off nursing by the cost of and debt burden from taking a degree You could make that argument for anyone taking a degree in anything. It doesn't deter people. What does deter them is awful wages for long hours and huge responsibility. Many of our qualified nurses go to work abroad for better wages and conditions. Ironically we then recruit staff from countries where they are needed badly but are paid third world wages.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Aug 15 10.11pm |
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Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm
What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet ..... And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system. And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. But wanting to add to it is positively mental. Of course its worth noting that many of those 'coming' are also working, and only here short term - meaning that they generate more taxation than they cost (bonus for education and the NHS), whilst many will end up working in the Education system and NHS. Also if I remember rightly, one of the areas that massively benefited from cheap migrant labour was the construction industry in the UK. I wouldn't necessarily point at the problems and say its the migrants, when you look at the cuts in funding that have affected schools, hospitals and prisons.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 28 Aug 15 10.39am |
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What is the initial premise for "no more immigrants period"? The OP implies a preference for only people of "British" heritage possibly solely "English", but no reason for kicking out everyone else, and what point are you English?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Aug 15 11.49am |
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Quote pefwin at 28 Aug 2015 10.39am
What is the initial premise for "no more immigrants period"? The OP implies a preference for only people of "British" heritage possibly solely "English", but no reason for kicking out everyone else, and what point are you English?
Technically, no one is now English, only British. That's what your passport says.
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| johnfirewall 28 Aug 15 1.14pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 27 Aug 2015 9.32pm
You didn't read my post did you. The reliance on migrant workers was created long ago by a failure to recruit, train and pay proper wages to British workers. I would hazard a guess that Government took the cheap option because increasing NI is a vote loser. I did, hence the question, then I expanded by explaining how many migrants there were. Contemporarily, I feel people are put off nursing by the cost of and debt burden from taking a degree The course is funded by the NHS
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| Stuk Top half 28 Aug 15 2.26pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm
Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm
What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet ..... And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system. And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. But wanting to add to it is positively mental. Of course its worth noting that many of those 'coming' are also working, and only here short term - meaning that they generate more taxation than they cost (bonus for education and the NHS), whilst many will end up working in the Education system and NHS. Also if I remember rightly, one of the areas that massively benefited from cheap migrant labour was the construction industry in the UK. I wouldn't necessarily point at the problems and say its the migrants, when you look at the cuts in funding that have affected schools, hospitals and prisons. Cheap migrant labour has not helped the construction industry.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Aug 15 2.30pm |
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Quote Stuk at 28 Aug 2015 2.26pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm
Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm
What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet ..... And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system. And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. But wanting to add to it is positively mental. Of course its worth noting that many of those 'coming' are also working, and only here short term - meaning that they generate more taxation than they cost (bonus for education and the NHS), whilst many will end up working in the Education system and NHS. Also if I remember rightly, one of the areas that massively benefited from cheap migrant labour was the construction industry in the UK. I wouldn't necessarily point at the problems and say its the migrants, when you look at the cuts in funding that have affected schools, hospitals and prisons. Cheap migrant labour has not helped the construction industry. It helped the people who owned construction businesses to reduce the price of labour on site.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 30 Aug 15 3.42pm |
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Quote Stuk at 28 Aug 2015 2.26pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm
Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm
What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet ..... And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system. And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. But wanting to add to it is positively mental. Of course its worth noting that many of those 'coming' are also working, and only here short term - meaning that they generate more taxation than they cost (bonus for education and the NHS), whilst many will end up working in the Education system and NHS. Also if I remember rightly, one of the areas that massively benefited from cheap migrant labour was the construction industry in the UK. I wouldn't necessarily point at the problems and say its the migrants, when you look at the cuts in funding that have affected schools, hospitals and prisons. Cheap migrant labour has not helped the construction industry. Nor the transport industry. Indigenous workers priced out or forced to work for less, while the migrants send the money they earn "back home".
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 30 Aug 15 4.42pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm
Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm
What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet ..... And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system. And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition. But wanting to add to it is positively mental. Of course its worth noting that many of those 'coming' are also working, and only here short term - meaning that they generate more taxation than they cost (bonus for education and the NHS), whilst many will end up working in the Education system and NHS. Also if I remember rightly, one of the areas that massively benefited from cheap migrant labour was the construction industry in the UK. I wouldn't necessarily point at the problems and say its the migrants, when you look at the cuts in funding that have affected schools, hospitals and prisons.
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