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Putitout Flag Oxford 03 Jul 21 10.42am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Quiet honestly, Dazza, as with all of us ,has been led up the garden path throughout this. Essentially that’s not purely his fault or possibly even his so called source
Throughout this whole saga, we the fans have been feed absolutely nothing confirmed by those that that actually matter. It has all almost certainly been guesswork by various small time journalists occasionally picked up briefly by main stream simply because it’s all over the internet, and they don’t want to appear left out of the frenzy.
Palace, will have talked to any number of potentials, that never had been virtually in the bag, it would seem for much of this small time media, guessing who got talked to is enough to claim an advanced negotiation . That is all we have ever really had a drip feed of other peoples guess work.

 

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 03 Jul 21 10.45am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

The club have by their actions created a vacuum and as always various parties seek to fill it, be it fans, the media or clickbait sites.

This is a situation of the owners making at a crucial time and just I think show at best nievety or at worse incompetence at a high level within the organisation.

The fact that we have not announced another 'done deal' name to me suggests that there are again real issues recruiting a decent manager.

 

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 21 10.46am Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Furthermore, I cannot recall other clubs issuing such re-assuring messages to their fanbase in similar circumstances.
Some cynical supporters might even conclude it is just a PR Exercise with a great deal of "Spin" !

I appreciate all of this. I’m just a little fed up with fans expressing disquiet about the time taken and the silence from the club, only to be told that makes them “entitled” when they seek news.
To be fair, unless you are a season ticket holder or subscribe to other clubs as a member it is unlikely that you would recall such an event?
As I said before, fans invest a lot of time, sweat, money and tears into their club and when there is some disgruntlement amongst the fanbase it is perhaps not rocket science to suggest that a message may well soothe some ruffled feathers.
Personally I don’t consider that request as making me entitled but this is all about opinions.

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.47am)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 10.54am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Helmet46

I appreciate all of this. I’m just a little fed up with fans expressing disquiet about the time taken and the silence from the club, only to be told that makes them “entitled” when they seek news.
To be fair, unless you are a season ticket holder or subscribe to other clubs as a member it is unlikely that you would recall such an event?
As I said before, fans invest a lot of time, sweat, money and tears into their club and when there is some disgruntlement amongst the fanbase it is perhaps not rocket science to suggest that a message may well soothe some ruffled feathers.
Personally I don’t consider that request as making me entitled but this is all about opinions.

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.47am)

With respect, I have not gallivanted down the "Entitled" route in this discussion.

I respect your view that you would like reassuring messages from the club but I don't recall other clubs issuing "It will alright on the night" messages to their supporters in similar circumstances.

Steve Parish has said that it is better to get the "Right manager" than a "Manager now" and the process always takes longer than expected.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 10.58am)

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 03 Jul 21 10.57am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Furthermore, I cannot recall other clubs issuing such re-assuring messages to their fanbase in similar circumstances.
Some cynical supporters might even conclude it is just a PR Exercise with a great deal of "Spin" !

Be fair Willo, Can you recall to many other Premier league clubs that have appeared to be in such a state of disarray ,with just six weeks before the start of a new season. Those about to go broke excluded? The club is not displaying a stable stance by any stretch .
I think there is not just concern for a lot of fans in this situation, but fear.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 03 Jul 21 11.00am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Why do you persist with the assertion you are somehow in the know or have a secret source.

My theory is that somehow in your world it makes you superior to others not in your " position "

Your faux sharing does not wash, neither does the " only passing on in good faith " angle.

You have consistently been wrong.

The great benefit of having a new manager appointed is that we can close this thread.

Hopefully you will not then switch your attention to transfers.

You are right that people can choose not to read your posts but you could assist there.

Please stop, I don't believe anyone here views you as superior, rather deluded and somewhat to be pitied.

Originally posted by dazza

Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them.

No one is asking you believe them.

You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages.

Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me?

Just saying you should not Assume things?

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 03 Jul 21 11.04am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

While I understand people's frustration with the manager situation and exasperation with the players contracts, just because the Club have said little officially does not equate to nothing being done.

If the players list currently in circulation is accurate then I think most would agree that the right decisions have been made.

What Parish has said is that identifying a new manager has been a '' challenge ''. That comes as no surprise - look at the pages of debate on here about the merits or otherwise of the media reported candidates.

I don't have Blind Faith in Steve Parish but I do believe that by next week we will have a manager in place and a group of players that can start preparing for the new season.

I will however need some convincing that Palace have a £80m transfer budget !

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 11.09am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Be fair Willo, Can you recall to many other Premier league clubs that have appeared to be in such a state of disarray ,with just six weeks before the start of a new season. Those about to go broke excluded? The club is not displaying a stable stance by any stretch .
I think there is not just concern for a lot of fans in this situation, but fear.

Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position.
Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season.

In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'.
Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted.


Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

 

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 21 11.27am Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position.
Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season.

In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'.
Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

But it’s not just the manager is it? The time we take to get transfers across the line does rather suggest that we will struggle to hit the new managers targets. Do we procrastinate a little too much? From the not ITK outside it does rather suggest we do. (But that’s just my opinion, of course). We would/could never sign over 20 players in 6 weeks. It takes us about that time to get one done.


Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 11.28am)

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 03 Jul 21 11.33am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position.
Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season.

In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'.
Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted.


Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

I said way back this is common in the lower leagues, not in the Premier. That is a big part of why so many are worried for the club.
It’s not been tried in the Premier ,is the best one can say , maybe Parish, wants to set a precedent for success in the top most demanding league in the world?

 

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crystal-purley Flag Purley 03 Jul 21 11.48am Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book

The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked.

Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management.

I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks.

On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire.

Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive.

As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about.

If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck?


Agree with all of this and would add that "we" bought the club for pennies as we had gone bust (is it just a rumour that one of our directors had a hand in the club going bust by calling in a debt or is that what you were alluding to)

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 03 Jul 21 12.00pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I would include the oft used " next level " whatever that is supposed to br

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book

The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked.

Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management.

I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks.

On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire.

Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive.

As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about.

If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck?

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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