Not accounting for Guiata's World class saves or the amount of extra space Liverpool seemed to have for their goals.

As clinical as Liverpool were our defending was abysmal. 1 Kouyate allowing Mane to set Minamino up 2. A few weak effort to clear then Clyne brushed aside by Mane 3. CBs go awol for Firmino to waltz in unchalleged. 4. Henderson allowed to stroll untracked from midfield 5. Salah has all the time in the world to find Firmino who has got on the wrong side of Clyne 6. Cahill outjumped at a corner. 7. Nuff said

Anyone else think Wilf has been one of our worst players last couple of games?

In a team of underperformers today I feel like his performance stood out as especially poor.

I think shows we still rely on him firing for us to get goals.

Of course a lot more wrong than just one player today but just my observation

-Max Meyer is history. He's had opportunities in various roles and has been found to be too lightweight for this league. Yes he has skills but he doesn't fit either our system or this league.
-Schlupp played CF when all our other forwards were either injured or out of form. He has played in that position earlier in his career.
-Wilf played out wide in the 433 system. He's supposed to be one of the front two this season but seems to have licence to roam thus you often see him on both flanks during the game as well as in the middle, so it's his choice if he goes out wide
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Finally what is your evidence that Roy insists playing people in positions they don't like?

As for Howe, Bournemouth spent many tens of millions on players for him and he still managed to get them relegated. Hopefully he has learnt from that experience and would be a better manager in the future, but not sure I want him to prove that is so with Palace.

Well, if you say End Of, that's all their is to be said.

Newcastle aren't really the concern for those hoping we just stay up and do no more. The team in 18th is the one to watch out for.

Fulham were in that position at the start of the day. They've now picked up 6 points from their last 5 included Liverpool, Leicester, and Man City. They had everything go against them today and still picked up a point, away from home, against a team that recently beat us.

They're trajectory is improving, ours has flat lined.

My real disappointment is the way we drop away in effort when things go wrong, same thing happened v Chelsea.

My Saturday had me on cloud 9 when we rolled India for 36 but I was soon reminded of the ups and downs a few hours later.

Let's move on.