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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jun 18 3.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Just got them back with a “Gammon” retort. They’ll love that.

Yeah....so upset.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2018 3.21pm)

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jun 18 3.41pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

The judge didnt want the jury to be influenced by a media circus, so put an order in to stop the media making a song and dance about it until the case had finished...Tony Robinson tried to create a massive song and dance about it and was chasing suspects outside the court when he was serving a suspension order for doing exactly that...

He is an idiot who knew he was breaking the law and on suspension for doing the same thing. Idealogigy and politics is a moot point at best...

This is it in a nutshell. The party he started tried to hide pedo’s within it’s ranks FFS. On more than one occasion(Richard Price also springs to mind). So for the bloke who started the the party to then be outside a pedo ring courtcase, all smacks of hypocrisy to me. The main reason he’s there is because it is a, let’s call it a ‘brown pedo ring’ case. Nothing else. So his intentions are disingenuous in the first place. As are all about cries about “free speech” from his supporters. They see this as a huge morale loss and as such are calling it a violation against free speech. When in reality they’re just smarting from losing the main person they feel is going to make mainstream racism okay again, for them. It’s so easy to see through all the bollocks if you genuinely don’t give a f***.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jun 18 3.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

This is it in a nutshell. The party he started tried to hide pedo’s within it’s ranks FFS. On more than one occasion(Richard Price also springs to mind). So for the bloke who started the the party to then be outside a pedo ring courtcase, all smacks of hypocrisy to me. The main reason he’s there is because it is a, let’s call it a ‘brown pedo ring’ case. Nothing else. So his intentions are disingenuous in the first place. As are all about cries about “free speech” from his supporters. They see this as a huge morale loss and as such are calling it a violation against free speech. When in reality they’re just smarting from losing the main person they feel is going to make mainstream racism okay again, for them. It’s so easy to see through all the bollocks if you genuinely don’t give a f***.

Robinson left the EDL years ago.

I didn't know about this situation but where does Robinson defend child abuse?

From a quick look, I see Robinson said, 'We completely condemn Richard Price.', once they ascertained it was true and he was thrown out of the group.

We can do the 'guilt by association' game with all the major parties. It's disingenuous BS.


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Jun 18 9.33pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

This is it in a nutshell. The party he started tried to hide pedo’s within it’s ranks FFS. On more than one occasion(Richard Price also springs to mind). So for the bloke who started the the party to then be outside a pedo ring courtcase, all smacks of hypocrisy to me. The main reason he’s there is because it is a, let’s call it a ‘brown pedo ring’ case. Nothing else. So his intentions are disingenuous in the first place. As are all about cries about “free speech” from his supporters. They see this as a huge morale loss and as such are calling it a violation against free speech. When in reality they’re just smarting from losing the main person they feel is going to make mainstream racism okay again, for them. It’s so easy to see through all the bollocks if you genuinely don’t give a f***.

So 600000 people are thick then (signed the petition)
And in your opinion for want of a better description
Racist right wing bigots who understand nothing about this so called multiculturalism.
Get real, he was trying to show How big the
'Brown pedo ring' really is.(quote).
Sadly, again it's not important as it's not white collar financial crime.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jun 18 10.12pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So 600000 people are thick then (signed the petition)
And in your opinion for want of a better description
Racist right wing bigots who understand nothing about this so called multiculturalism.
Get real, he was trying to show How big the
'Brown pedo ring' really is.(quote).
Sadly, again it's not important as it's not white collar financial crime.

Whatever he was trying to do, what he was in fact doing would potentially have resulted in stopping people being brought to justice

As you know, the petition is in English, French, German, Czech, Russian, Italian and Polish. Presumably each nationality is well informed and has an objective view. No vested interests or netbots here. I believe support is strong from the USA as well.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Jun 18 6.02am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Whatever he was trying to do, what he was in fact doing would potentially have resulted in stopping people being brought to justice

As you know, the petition is in English, French, German, Czech, Russian, Italian and Polish. Presumably each nationality is well informed and has an objective view. No vested interests or netbots here. I believe support is strong from the USA as well.

Don't see the point you make about where they're from.
You too believe they are all bigots etc.
It would only potentially stop justice if it's what the judicery wanted.
He's a scapegoat end of.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 06 Jun 18 7.34am

Originally posted by cryrst

So 600000 people are thick then (signed the petition)
And in your opinion for want of a better description
Racist right wing bigots who understand nothing about this so called multiculturalism.
Get real, he was trying to show How big the
'Brown pedo ring' really is.(quote).
Sadly, again it's not important as it's not white collar financial crime.

Not called anyone thick in my post that I recall? I have mentioned racism. What I do know from a being born here that unfortunately there are a lot of racist people here. And that all of the people I see online banging the drum about this, that I know well from school or old work colleagues or general associates, are racists. They’re the people who haven’t left the country and made friends with other cultures. They’re the people who have their minds made up for them by the media and get caught up in the machine instead of getting away and looking back on things in a non objective or abstract manner. This is fine as racism is a worldwide thing. It exists in all cultures. What is now happening that these people are being called out and instead of owning their racism and saying point blank “yes I am racist”. They are still denying it whilst displaying more and more racist propaganda on Facebook and the likes and getting more on their haunches about racist matters with each passing day.
Not all racists are thick. Which is the scariest part of this whole divide. Their are some very clever bigots out there who draw the uneducated into their beliefs with lies and scaremongering. Much like Hitler did. For example, a line I see written or hear a lot is “my grandfather stood up to fascism for nothing!” In reference to Hitler and the world wars. Yet they’re employing almost identical tactics to the fuher, to give rise to their ideology and beliefs. And it's the simple lot that can’t see that and carry on, or worse, they do realise it and side with it.
This whole thing stinks of double standards and hypocrisy. That can’t be denied by the people trying to defend Tommy. To me it is Tommy Robinson using a very hearts and minds tactic to stir up further racial tension. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that. The sensitive subject of his latest weapon against Muslims makes it even more sickening. If He genuinely cared about the subject matter as a whole then he should have been at all the other pedo cases to stick it to all the other sick individuals at their cases no matter the colour or creed. How about turning up at the case of his associate from his EDL days to let him have it? He wouldn’t do that now would he. Wouldn’t benefit his agenda in any way shape or form.
As always, look at the bigger picture. Research research research. Then make your point. That way no one can use the words thick or racist in their responses.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 18 7.59am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Not called anyone thick in my post that I recall? I have mentioned racism. What I do know from a being born here that unfortunately there are a lot of racist people here. And that all of the people I see online banging the drum about this, that I know well from school or old work colleagues or general associates, are racists. They’re the people who haven’t left the country and made friends with other cultures. They’re the people who have their minds made up for them by the media and get caught up in the machine instead of getting away and looking back on things in a non objective or abstract manner. This is fine as racism is a worldwide thing. It exists in all cultures. What is now happening that these people are being called out and instead of owning their racism and saying point blank “yes I am racist”. They are still denying it whilst displaying more and more racist propaganda on Facebook and the likes and getting more on their haunches about racist matters with each passing day.
Not all racists are thick. Which is the scariest part of this whole divide. Their are some very clever bigots out there who draw the uneducated into their beliefs with lies and scaremongering. Much like Hitler did. For example, a line I see written or hear a lot is “my grandfather stood up to fascism for nothing!” In reference to Hitler and the world wars. Yet they’re employing almost identical tactics to the fuher, to give rise to their ideology and beliefs. And it's the simple lot that can’t see that and carry on, or worse, they do realise it and side with it.
This whole thing stinks of double standards and hypocrisy. That can’t be denied by the people trying to defend Tommy. To me it is Tommy Robinson using a very hearts and minds tactic to stir up further racial tension. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that. The sensitive subject of his latest weapon against Muslims makes it even more sickening. If He genuinely cared about the subject matter as a whole then he should have been at all the other pedo cases to stick it to all the other sick individuals at their cases no matter the colour or creed. How about turning up at the case of his associate from his EDL days to let him have it? He wouldn’t do that now would he. Wouldn’t benefit his agenda in any way shape or form.
As always, look at the bigger picture. Research research research. Then make your point. That way no one can use the words thick or racist in their responses.

What a complete load of tosh. This country is up there with the most tolerant in the world. That's one of the reasons so many immigrants seek to come here.

Comparing those against radical Islam and the rate and amount of immigration to having 'almost identical' tactics to Hitler is also another completely risible point......Defend that point because anyone who knows the history of national socialism knows it's hyperbolic tosh.

As for this already answered nonsense point that Robinson should be protesting all peado cases and not just Islamic rape gangs. Why haven't you? Why are you holding him to a different standard to you? He can choose what he speaks out about just as you can. He has condemned a non Islamic child abuser and I quoted him in this very thread. Do you even read these posts. Robinson is focused on the problem of radical Islam, hence that's his focus. Do you complain to David Lammy why isn't he speaking out about deportation in other countries. It's a purely nonsensical point that seeks to deflect.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 8.03am)

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 06 Jun 18 9.18am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What a complete load of tosh. This country is up there with the most tolerant in the world. That's one of the reasons so many immigrants seek to come here.

Comparing those against radical Islam and the rate and amount of immigration to having 'almost identical' tactics to Hitler is also another completely risible point......Defend that point because anyone who knows the history of national socialism knows it's hyperbolic tosh.

As for this already answered nonsense point that Robinson should be protesting all peado cases and not just Islamic rape gangs. Why haven't you? Why are you holding him to a different standard to you? He can choose what he speaks out about just as you can. He has condemned a non Islamic child abuser and I quoted him in this very thread. Do you even read these posts. Robinson is focused on the problem of radical Islam, hence that's his focus. Do you complain to David Lammy why isn't he speaking out about deportation in other countries. It's a purely nonsensical point that seeks to deflect.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 8.03am)

That’s the whole point. I am not trying to deflect. I have no business deflecting because I don’t care enough. This is where the two sides are so get up on winning this pointless war that they can’t see past it people trying to deflect and derail things. It’s just a point of view. Not trying to deflect. Tommy can crack on all he likes. It won’t get him anywhere other than banged up or brown bread. Good luck to the fella.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 18 9.38am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

That’s the whole point. I am not trying to deflect. I have no business deflecting because I don’t care enough. This is where the two sides are so get up on winning this pointless war that they can’t see past it people trying to deflect and derail things. It’s just a point of view. Not trying to deflect. Tommy can crack on all he likes. It won’t get him anywhere other than banged up or brown bread. Good luck to the fella.

Well, some people actually give a damn about the direction the country is heading in.

Some people can read statistics on birth demographics, and see what 'integration' means in reality and they aren't impressed. Just like I'm not impressed with those who shout 'racist' when they live in mostly white areas. Now that's real hypocrisy.

In this religious community integration is only around 30 percent.....it's not going to happen and only leads to inevitable conflict. Miijad Nawaz complains that this lack of integration only hurting the Islamic community itself.

Like you say, some people just don't care enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 10.37am)

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 06 Jun 18 12.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, some people actually give a damn about the direction the country is heading in.

Some people can read statistics on birth demographics, and see what 'integration' means in reality and they aren't impressed. Just like I'm not impressed with those who shout 'racist' when they live in mostly white areas. Now that's real hypocrisy.

In this religious community integration is only around 30 percent.....it's not going to happen and only leads to inevitable conflict. Miijad Nawaz complains that this lack of integration only hurting the Islamic community itself.

Like you say, some people just don't care enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 10.37am)

I’ve lived all over.

You can care but I don’t see that changing anything. You’ll just end up doing your bollocks on something you can’t actually change. Then you’ll pop your clogs and the directive that has been set out will still go ahead. Man wasn’t meant to win against governments. You can rage against the machine all you like but just know that ultimately, it won’t get you anywhere. This is the only point I ever try to make.
You’ll raise a discussion or debate with someone like me. But I don’t really care, I just do this because I’m bored.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 18 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

I’ve lived all over.

You can care but I don’t see that changing anything. You’ll just end up doing your bollocks on something you can’t actually change. Then you’ll pop your clogs and the directive that has been set out will still go ahead. Man wasn’t meant to win against governments. You can rage against the machine all you like but just know that ultimately, it won’t get you anywhere. This is the only point I ever try to make.
You’ll raise a discussion or debate with someone like me. But I don’t really care, I just do this because I’m bored.

While I feel you're wrong on one level, I do actually kind of a have a respect for this point of view on another.

Firstly, while I think it's wrong.

I have children and I care about the future they are going to grow up in. To be frank, what we are seeing is demographic change in the country and as that continues on its their current path then the identitarian movements will move from small concerns to major ones.

Naturally being European and western I favour the British side of this but ultimately I don't see identitarianism as healthy. But here is the problem....if different groups in the country are allowed to be radically different in terms of integrating into the main culture and they come with internal terror attacks then it's going to stroke ever increasing conflict. The larger these groups become it's going to get worse....hence I'm very critic of these rudimentary explanations that ignore the obvious future of where we are moving.

I can't attack people like Robinson taking a stand on that. I'm far more critical of the politicans who enabled it.....No Viktor Orbán for us unfortunately.

The reason I like you view on that other level is that.....well of course, you are right. We as individuals have no real say or control on how the country is going.....Unless we are actively involved....and I'm not, I'm just a talking head on the politics section on Hol.

However, this doesn't mean that we seek to punish those who are battling to change course. In fact I support those looking to put a brake on what seems an inevitable skid towards a crash.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 1.04pm)

 


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