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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 4.02pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Divided by a common language Stirling. In the US 'people of color' is supposed to be a nice way to say things. In the UK 'coloured' is considered more of a no-no and may indicate mixed race. Pinky yellow, is a colour. Black isn't it's a shade, as you say. I admit to being pinky yellow. I work in a basement. Yeah, that seems to be the case. When I was growing up mixed race was called half caste.....which thinking of it now seems a pretty unusual thing to say...as if there is something overty Hinduism about it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Aug 17 4.02pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Divided by a common language Stirling. In the US 'people of color' is supposed to be a nice way to say things. In the UK 'coloured' is considered more of a no-no and may indicate mixed race.

Pinky yellow, is a colour. Black isn't it's a shade, as you say.

I admit to being pinky yellow. I work in a basement.

Yeah, that seems to be the case.

When I was growing up mixed race was called half caste.....which thinking of it now seems a pretty unusual thing to say...as if there is something overty Hinduism about it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 17 4.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, that seems to be the case. When I was growing up mixed race was called half caste.....which thinking of it now seems a pretty unusual thing to say...as if there is something overty Hinduism about it. Or indeed Portuguese from where the term is reputed to have originated. Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2017 4.11pm) Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2017 4.11pm)
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Croydon 23 Aug 17 4.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, that seems to be the case.

When I was growing up mixed race was called half caste.....which thinking of it now seems a pretty unusual thing to say...as if there is something overty Hinduism about it.

Or indeed Portuguese from where the term is reputed to have originated.

Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2017 4.11pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Aug 17 4.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think you will find that removed is the correct phrase since it was presumably originally moved there from the sculptor's residence. Whether destroyed or relocated, the message is the same. Pandering to minorities is a way to get their votes and stop them crying about prejudice every five minutes instead of trying to help them improve their own lives in a practical way. The local state apparatus can be voted out if people don't like what they're doing. Isn't that democracy?
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Shizzlehurst 23 Aug 17 4.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think you will find that removed is the correct phrase since it was presumably originally moved there from the sculptor's residence.
Whether destroyed or relocated, the message is the same. Pandering to minorities is a way to get their votes and stop them crying about prejudice every five minutes instead of trying to help them improve their own lives in a practical way.

The local state apparatus can be voted out if people don't like what they're doing. Isn't that democracy?

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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 4.08pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Or indeed Portuguese from where the terms is reputed to have originated. You learn something every day. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Aug 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Or indeed Portuguese from where the terms is reputed to have originated.

You learn something every day.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 17 4.11pm
A member of my household calls herself a Quadroon, seems to think it's funny. In fact she isn't only a quadroon she is a multiple quadroon. Four raced, quad quadroon. That's a Full House innit. Not actually sure if this is pejorative though.
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Croydon 23 Aug 17 4.11pm

A member of my household calls herself a Quadroon, seems to think it's funny. In fact she isn't only a quadroon she is a multiple quadroon. Four raced, quad quadroon. That's a Full House innit. Not actually sure if this is pejorative though.

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You learn something every day. Sorry, that came across as a bit smarmy
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Croydon 23 Aug 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You learn something every day.

Sorry, that came across as a bit smarmy

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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 4.21pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Sorry, that came across as a bit smarmy Not at all. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

23 Aug 17 4.21pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Sorry, that came across as a bit smarmy

Not at all.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 17 4.45pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The local state apparatus can be voted out if people don't like what they're doing. Isn't that democracy? You are a big supporter of democracy suddenly. Funny, because you weren't so keen when Trump got elected.
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23 Aug 17 4.45pm

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Originally posted by nickgusset

The local state apparatus can be voted out if people don't like what they're doing. Isn't that democracy?

You are a big supporter of democracy suddenly.

Funny, because you weren't so keen when Trump got elected.

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Ray in Houston Houston 23 Aug 17 4.45pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think you will find that removed is the correct phrase since it was presumably originally moved there from the sculptor's residence. Whether destroyed or relocated, the message is the same. Pandering to minorities is a way to get their votes and stop them crying about prejudice every five minutes instead of trying to help them improve their own lives in a practical way. "Removed" suggests that it's just gone; "moved" confirms that it's still around, just put somewhere else. As to pandering to minorities, what on earth is leaving in place a symbol of white supremacy when the majority of those in its shadow want it moved, if not pandering to a minority? Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 4.47pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

"Removed" suggests that it's just gone; "moved" confirms that it's still around, just put somewhere else.

As to pandering to minorities, what on earth is leaving in place a symbol of white supremacy when the majority of those in its shadow want it moved, if not pandering to a minority?

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 4.47pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 23 Aug 17 4.48pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I like your posts Ray. Thank you, sir. I do my best. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 23 Aug 17 4.48pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I like your posts Ray.

Thank you, sir. I do my best.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 17 4.52pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston "Removed" suggests that it's just gone; "moved" confirms that it's still around, just put somewhere else. As to pandering to minorities, what on earth is leaving in place a symbol of white supremacy when the majority of those in its shadow want it moved, if not pandering to a minority? Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 4.47pm) Do the majority actually want it moved? Did anyone ask everybody? I have to say that what disturbs me most is that people actually care about a statue at all. One more time. Where will it all end? Will we destroy, hide, move anything that offends someone?
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Hrolf The Ganger

23 Aug 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

"Removed" suggests that it's just gone; "moved" confirms that it's still around, just put somewhere else.

As to pandering to minorities, what on earth is leaving in place a symbol of white supremacy when the majority of those in its shadow want it moved, if not pandering to a minority?

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 4.47pm)

Do the majority actually want it moved? Did anyone ask everybody?
I have to say that what disturbs me most is that people actually care about a statue at all.

One more time. Where will it all end? Will we destroy, hide, move anything that offends someone?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Aug 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think what you are saying here is true for some people but it isn't true for others. Was Elvis a racist for singing American trilogy. How about his backing singers they sung on it too.....Who gets to tell others what their motivation is.....I think it should require careful observation rather than blanket statements. Sure some wave that flag and lie about the reasons and some don't. I'm sure that's true, its a beautiful flag (arguably the sexiest flag) but its kind of problematic I think when people wave around a flag 'for other reasons' that's association is fixed with racism, slavery, oppression. Its like a swastika, it has meanings in Hindu mythology that aren't about genocide and murder but you probably shouldn't be too surprised if sporting one gets you into some grief with people. Same as wearing a Maddie McCann joke T-shirt to an Everton game. You offend people knowingly at your own risk. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Aug 17 4.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think what you are saying here is true for some people but it isn't true for others.

Was Elvis a racist for singing American trilogy. How about his backing singers they sung on it too.....Who gets to tell others what their motivation is.....I think it should require careful observation rather than blanket statements.

Sure some wave that flag and lie about the reasons and some don't.

I'm sure that's true, its a beautiful flag (arguably the sexiest flag) but its kind of problematic I think when people wave around a flag 'for other reasons' that's association is fixed with racism, slavery, oppression.

Its like a swastika, it has meanings in Hindu mythology that aren't about genocide and murder but you probably shouldn't be too surprised if sporting one gets you into some grief with people.

Same as wearing a Maddie McCann joke T-shirt to an Everton game. You offend people knowingly at your own risk.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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