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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 10.25pm | |
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search up Aid as “Trojan Horses”
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turkish eagle 19 Jun 16 10.31pm | |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
search up Aid as “Trojan Horses” What your showing is not disputed. It's your ridiculous assertion, or rather 21st Century Wire's, that despite all of this Turkey is going to be 'fast tracked' on June 24th. As you won't accept my bet I'm assuming your showing of these clips is a diversion so that readers might forget your earlier posts. Good night and look forward to debating with you when you can back up your assertions with facts rather than recycled 'news' items.
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 10.55pm | |
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[Link] sleep all you like but there way more going on than what's reported in brit press. BBC news at 2205 tonight showed in headlines Cameron being applauded on QT from this eve. If you had watch it you would of seen he got a roasting yet they showed this snippet followed by a snippet from Boris Johnson, yet cut out before any applause.
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 10.58pm | |
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The Financial Times reported: ‘Turkey’s EU membership talks are set to be given a boost within a fortnight, after Britain abandoned its attempt to freeze the process of opening a new “negotiating chapter” with Ankara until after its EU referendum… At a meeting of diplomats on Tuesday morning, Britain was the only member state to refuse to give its consent for talks to begin with Ankara on financial and budgetary issues, in spite of its traditional standing as one of the biggest champions of Turkish membership talks. However, London’s resistance only lasted a few hours, which means the formal opening of talks is expected on June 24 or 30, in line with the Turkey-EU deal’ (Financial Times, 14 June 2016, [Link]
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 10.59pm | |
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PRESS RELEASE
Brussels, 4 May 2016 European Commission opens way for decision by June on visa-free travel for citizens of Turkey The European Commission is today proposing to the European Parliament and Council of the European Union to lift the visa requirements for the citizens of Turkey, under the understanding that the Turkish authorities will fulfil, as a matter of urgency and as they committed to do so on 18 March 2016, the outstanding benchmarks of its Visa Liberalisation Roadmap. The proposal is presented together with a Report on progress by Turkey in fulfilling the requirements of the Roadmap.
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 11.03pm | |
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FT ARTICLE At a meeting of diplomats on Tuesday morning, Britain was the only member state to refuse to give its consent for talks to begin with Ankara on financial and budgetary issues, in spite of its traditional standing as one of the biggest champions of Turkish membership talks. The diplomatic acrobatics over membership underline the jitters in Downing Street over the issue, and its potential to blow up in the campaign. British support for Turkey’s largely moribund bid emerged as a central attack line for Leave campaigners, who claimed membership “is coming” and would open British borders to 80m potential migrants.
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 11.09pm | |
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David Cameron strongly supports Turkish accession at the earliest moment. David Cameron strongly supports Turkish accession. In 2010, Cameron said he was ‘angry’ at the slow pace of Turkish accession, that he was the ‘strongest possible advocate for EU membership’ for Turkey, and that ‘I want us to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels’ (Prime Minister’s Office, 27 July 2010, [Link] In 2014, he said that: ‘In terms of Turkish membership of the EU, I very much support that. That’s a longstanding position of British foreign policy which I support’ (Daily Telegraph, 9 December 2014, [Link]
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 11.14pm | |
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BEST BITS The British public will not get a vote on the accession of Turkey to the EU. The European Union Act 2011 allows the Government to ratify EU accession treaties without a referendum (European Union Act 2011, s. 4(4)(c), [Link] There was no referendum on the accession of Croatia to the EU in 2013 (European Union (Croatian Accession and Irish Protocol) Act 2013, s. 1, [Link] Turkey is set to join the EU in the near future: we are paying them to join. Turkey is due to join the EU in the next few years, having already signed a deal with the EU to prepare for accession (European Commission, March 2016, [Link]
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turkish eagle 19 Jun 16 11.15pm | |
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So, the FT report says talks 'are due to open on June 24' on yet another chapter. That will be the 18th chapter of 35. Of which only 1 has been completed. And you claim that is 'fast tracking?' As for visa free travel, do you think returning to a situation where Turks could travel to UK without a visa is significant? This is the situation that existed before the British government introduced them in 1989. And if you see this article; You will see that Georgia is also about to get visa-free travel. Visa free travel is not in itself the equivalent of joining the EU. It just saves you 20 dollars when you go to Turkey for your hols, as the Turkish government will also lift the requirements for visas for British citizens.
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turkish eagle 19 Jun 16 11.23pm | |
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And when did the British public get a vote on whether the following joined the EU? 1981 - Greece And you think it is significant that you won't get a public vote on future countries joining. Ten years, one chapter completed. Sixteen opened. One due to open on June 24. Seventeen not even started. Fast tracking?
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DivingIsNotGood se25 19 Jun 16 11.30pm | |
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Originally posted by turkish eagle
So, the FT report says talks 'are due to open on June 24' on yet another chapter. That will be the 18th chapter of 35. Of which only 1 has been completed. And you claim that is 'fast tracking?' As for visa free travel, do you think returning to a situation where Turks could travel to UK without a visa is significant? This is the situation that existed before the British government introduced them in 1989. And if you see this article; You will see that Georgia is also about to get visa-free travel. Visa free travel is not in itself the equivalent of joining the EU. It just saves you 20 dollars when you go to Turkey for your hols, as the Turkish government will also lift the requirements for visas for British citizens. The point is it's stepping stones, the fast tracking will increase the speed to bring in Turkey. It will not take 40 or more years that Cameron claims. It won't be fast tracked by the 24th June but fast-tracked to speed it up significantly.
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turkish eagle 19 Jun 16 11.42pm | |
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Well they asked to join in 1987, so if they joined in eight years time that will be 37 years after first requesting it. Have you any idea poor the standards of democracy are in Turkey? How judges get appointed and sacked by the President? How the government takes over opposition newspapers? These are just some of the issues that would have to be addressed and for the sake of Turkish citizens I hope they are but with the idiot currently in charge of Turkey it is going in the opposite direction, so no, I still don't buy it, it's not happening any time soon.
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