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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 10.25pm

search up Aid as “Trojan Horses”

 


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turkish eagle Flag 19 Jun 16 10.31pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

search up Aid as “Trojan Horses”

What your showing is not disputed. It's your ridiculous assertion, or rather 21st Century Wire's, that despite all of this Turkey is going to be 'fast tracked' on June 24th. As you won't accept my bet I'm assuming your showing of these clips is a diversion so that readers might forget your earlier posts. Good night and look forward to debating with you when you can back up your assertions with facts rather than recycled 'news' items.

 

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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 10.55pm

[Link] sleep all you like but there way more going on than what's reported in brit press.

BBC news at 2205 tonight showed in headlines Cameron being applauded on QT from this eve. If you had watch it you would of seen he got a roasting yet they showed this snippet followed by a snippet from Boris Johnson, yet cut out before any applause.


 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 10.58pm

The Financial Times reported: ‘Turkey’s EU membership talks are set to be given a boost within a fortnight, after Britain abandoned its attempt to freeze the process of opening a new “negotiating chapter” with Ankara until after its EU referendum… At a meeting of diplomats on Tuesday morning, Britain was the only member state to refuse to give its consent for talks to begin with Ankara on financial and budgetary issues, in spite of its traditional standing as one of the biggest champions of Turkish membership talks. However, London’s resistance only lasted a few hours, which means the formal opening of talks is expected on June 24 or 30, in line with the Turkey-EU deal’ (Financial Times, 14 June 2016, [Link]

 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 10.59pm

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PRESS RELEASE


European Commission opens way for decision by June on visa-free travel for citizens of Turkey

Brussels, 4 May 2016

European Commission opens way for decision by June on visa-free travel for citizens of Turkey

The European Commission is today proposing to the European Parliament and Council of the European Union to lift the visa requirements for the citizens of Turkey, under the understanding that the Turkish authorities will fulfil, as a matter of urgency and as they committed to do so on 18 March 2016, the outstanding benchmarks of its Visa Liberalisation Roadmap. The proposal is presented together with a Report on progress by Turkey in fulfilling the requirements of the Roadmap.
First Vice-President Frans Timmermans said: "Turkey has made impressive progress, particularly in recent weeks, on meeting the benchmarks of its visa liberalisation roadmap. There is still work to be done as a matter of urgency but if Turkey sustains the progress made, they can meet the remaining benchmarks. This is why we are putting a proposal on the table which opens the way for the European Parliament and the Member States to decide to lift visa requirements, once the benchmarks have been met."
Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship, Dimitris Avramopoulos said: "The Turkish authorities have made remarkable progress since the 18 March EU-Turkey Summit and we trust Turkey is committed to delivering on all fronts as soon as possible. On the understanding that all benchmarks will be met as a matter of urgency, the Commission has decided to put forward a proposal to transfer Turkey to the list of visa-free countries. Of course, the Commission will continue to monitor the continuous fulfilling of these criteria."
Visa liberalisation for Turkey is a key component of the EU-Turkey Statement of 18 March 2016 which stated that the fulfilment of the visa liberalisation roadmap will be accelerated with a view to lifting the visa requirements for Turkish citizens at the latest by the end of June 2016, provided that all benchmarks have been met. In order to meet a June deadline for adoption by the co-legislators, a Commission proposal to put Turkey on the visa-free list has to be tabled at the beginning of May to allow an eight-week period to elapse between a draft being made available to national Parliaments and its adoption.
The Progress Report adopted today assesses progress made to date by Turkey in implementing the benchmarks, identifies outstanding benchmarks and sets out the concrete measures that Turkey needs to meet in order to complete the remaining requirements, in areas such as the fight against corruption, data protection, judicial cooperation with all Member States, enhanced cooperation with EUROPOL and revision of the legislation and practices on terrorism.
In a number of exceptional cases, the acceleration of the Roadmap's implementation has made completion of some benchmarks, such as a full roll-out of biometric passports and a review of the implementation of the EU-Turkey readmission agreement (fully applicable only as of 1 June), impossible to date. In others, the Commission acknowledges the good progress made by the Turkish authorities so far, and encourages them to urgently step up these efforts to meet all requirements in order to obtain visa liberalisation by the end of June.
Visa-free travel will apply to all EU Member States except for Ireland and the UK, and to the four Schengen associated countries (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland). The exemption concerns only short stays of up to 90 days (in any 180-day period) for business, tourist or family purposes, among others. The visa exemption does not provide for the right to work in the EU. Other entry conditions for accessing the Schengen area will continue to apply, including the need to be able to prove their purpose of travel and sufficient subsidence means.
As for all countries listed in Annex II of the Visa Regulation and whose citizens can travel visa-free to Europe, the safeguard clause introduced in the beginning of 2014 will apply to visa-free travel for citizens of Turkey. Taking into account recent discussions with Member States on the EU's visa policy as a whole, the Commission has today proposed to strengthen this suspension mechanism to make it easier for Member States to notify circumstances leading to a possible suspension and enabling the Commission to trigger the mechanism on its own initiative.
Background
The European Union launched the Visa Liberalisation Dialogue with Turkey on 16 December 2013, in parallel with the signature of the EU-Turkey Readmission Agreement. The Visa Liberalisation Dialogue is based on the Roadmap towards a visa free regime with Turkey, a document setting out the requirements that Turkey needs to meet in order to enable the Commission to propose to the European Parliament and the Council an amendment to Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 which would allow Turkish citizens to travel without a visa for short stays of 90 days within any 180-day period for business, touristic or family purposes, in the Schengen area.
The 72 requirements listed in the Roadmap are organised in five thematic groups: document security; migration management; public order and security; fundamental rights and readmission of irregular migrants.
On 20 October 2014, the Commission adopted its First Report on progress by Turkey in fulfilling the requirements of its visa liberalisation roadmap. The First Report assessed the fulfilment of each requirement and issued recommendations for making further progress in all of them.
At the EU-Turkey Summit of 29 November 2015, activating the EU-Turkey Joint Action Plan, the EU welcomed the commitment by Turkey to accelerate the fulfilment of the Visa Roadmap benchmarks vis-à-vis all participating Member States. Turkey committed to accelerating the fulfilment of the Roadmap, including by bringing forward the application of all the provisions of the EU-Turkey Readmission agreement.
On 4 March 2016, the Commission adopted its Second Report on progress by Turkey in fulfilling the requirements of its visa liberalisation roadmap. The Report welcomed the new level of engagement and determination demonstrated by the Turkish authorities.
At the EU-Turkey Summit of 18 March, Turkey committed to accelerating the fulfilment of the Roadmap even further. In the Joint Statement after this meeting, the 28 EU Heads of State or Government committed to lifting the visa requirements for Turkish citizens at the latest by the end of June 2016, provided that all 72 benchmarks of the Roadmap are fulfilled.

 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 11.03pm

FT ARTICLE
Turkey’s EU membership talks are set to be given a boost within a fortnight, after Britain abandoned its attempt to freeze the process of opening a new “negotiating chapter” with Ankara until after its EU referendum.
Although the step is largely a symbolic political concession to Ankara agreed as part of its migration deal with the EU, the process has taken on extreme sensitivity for London because of the referendum campaign, where Leave campaigners have attempted to raise fears of a new wave of migration prompted by Turkish accession.

At a meeting of diplomats on Tuesday morning, Britain was the only member state to refuse to give its consent for talks to begin with Ankara on financial and budgetary issues, in spite of its traditional standing as one of the biggest champions of Turkish membership talks.
However, London’s resistance only lasted a few hours, which means the formal opening of talks is expected on June 24 or 30, in line with the Turkey-EU deal.

The diplomatic acrobatics over membership underline the jitters in Downing Street over the issue, and its potential to blow up in the campaign. British support for Turkey’s largely moribund bid emerged as a central attack line for Leave campaigners, who claimed membership “is coming” and would open British borders to 80m potential migrants.
Diplomats in Brussels were surprised by both British resistance on opening a relatively innocuous chapter of talks — it was once the biggest champion of Turkish membership — and its sudden about-turn on Tuesday. “It is like they are scared of their own shadow,” said one eurozone diplomat.
In an attempt to kill the issue as a campaign topic, David Cameron has steadily hardened his language on Turkish membership in recent weeks, claiming at the current rate it would not be ready to join “until the year 3000”. However, he has stopped short of outright opposing accession, or offering a referendum on the issue.
Senior diplomats in Brussels almost universally think Turkish membership is unthinkable in the foreseeable future. All EU nations hold a veto on accession, some in private are implacably opposed, and France and Austria are legally bound to hold referendums on the issue if Turkey meets its membership criteria.
Turkey has also made barely any headway in meeting the EU’s membership criteria. It has closed just one of 35 negotiating chapters and the European Commission has noted it is going backwards in some areas, particularly regarding human rights and rule of law.
Several chapters remain frozen by Cyprus — with which Turkey has no official diplomatic relations — and were not opened as Turkey requested during its membership talks. One concession for Ankara was the opening of talks on budget and finance by the end of June, a chapter that had been blocked in the past by France.
Britain’s diplomats and civil service are operating under so-called purdah restrictions on government announcements, meaning they are unable to amend or adjust previously agreed positions on EU policy areas.

 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 11.09pm

David Cameron strongly supports Turkish accession at the earliest moment.

David Cameron strongly supports Turkish accession. In 2010, Cameron said he was ‘angry’ at the slow pace of Turkish accession, that he was the ‘strongest possible advocate for EU membership’ for Turkey, and that ‘I want us to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels’ (Prime Minister’s Office, 27 July 2010, [Link] In 2014, he said that: ‘In terms of Turkish membership of the EU, I very much support that. That’s a longstanding position of British foreign policy which I support’ (Daily Telegraph, 9 December 2014, [Link]

 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 11.14pm

BEST BITS

The British public will not get a vote on the accession of Turkey to the EU. The European Union Act 2011 allows the Government to ratify EU accession treaties without a referendum (European Union Act 2011, s. 4(4)(c), [Link] There was no referendum on the accession of Croatia to the EU in 2013 (European Union (Croatian Accession and Irish Protocol) Act 2013, s. 1, [Link]

Turkey is set to join the EU in the near future: we are paying them to join.

Turkey is due to join the EU in the next few years, having already signed a deal with the EU to prepare for accession (European Commission, March 2016, [Link]

 


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So, the FT report says talks 'are due to open on June 24' on yet another chapter. That will be the 18th chapter of 35. Of which only 1 has been completed. And you claim that is 'fast tracking?'

As for visa free travel, do you think returning to a situation where Turks could travel to UK without a visa is significant? This is the situation that existed before the British government introduced them in 1989.

And if you see this article;

[Link]

You will see that Georgia is also about to get visa-free travel. Visa free travel is not in itself the equivalent of joining the EU. It just saves you 20 dollars when you go to Turkey for your hols, as the Turkish government will also lift the requirements for visas for British citizens.

 

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turkish eagle Flag 19 Jun 16 11.23pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

And when did the British public get a vote on whether the following joined the EU?

1981 - Greece
1986 - Spain and Portugal
1995 - Austria, Finland and Sweden
2004 - Czech Rep, Estonia, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Slovenia, Slovakia
2007 - Romania, Bulgaria
2013 - Croatia

And you think it is significant that you won't get a public vote on future countries joining.

Ten years, one chapter completed. Sixteen opened. One due to open on June 24. Seventeen not even started.

Fast tracking?

 

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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 19 Jun 16 11.30pm

Originally posted by turkish eagle

So, the FT report says talks 'are due to open on June 24' on yet another chapter. That will be the 18th chapter of 35. Of which only 1 has been completed. And you claim that is 'fast tracking?'

As for visa free travel, do you think returning to a situation where Turks could travel to UK without a visa is significant? This is the situation that existed before the British government introduced them in 1989.

And if you see this article;

[Link]

You will see that Georgia is also about to get visa-free travel. Visa free travel is not in itself the equivalent of joining the EU. It just saves you 20 dollars when you go to Turkey for your hols, as the Turkish government will also lift the requirements for visas for British citizens.

The point is it's stepping stones, the fast tracking will increase the speed to bring in Turkey. It will not take 40 or more years that Cameron claims. It won't be fast tracked by the 24th June but fast-tracked to speed it up significantly.
Please all go ahead and vote in so you will see for yourself that Turkey will become a EU state in next 8 to 10 years. Stepping stones, will start out as trade off for visa free travel and will slowly merge into full EU state.

 


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Well they asked to join in 1987, so if they joined in eight years time that will be 37 years after first requesting it.

Have you any idea poor the standards of democracy are in Turkey? How judges get appointed and sacked by the President? How the government takes over opposition newspapers? These are just some of the issues that would have to be addressed and for the sake of Turkish citizens I hope they are but with the idiot currently in charge of Turkey it is going in the opposite direction, so no, I still don't buy it, it's not happening any time soon.

 

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