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Invalid user 2019 Flag 22 Feb 19 9.51pm

Originally posted by soulboy

As a Palace fan living abroad, I honestly thought HOL's growing obsession with racism was most probably reflected among the general fanbase with racist chanting at Palace matches now di regueur. However, having been to Palace matches, home and way, during the past couple of months I'm happy to say, in my experience, that is not the case! I've seen Black, Chinese and Asian Palace fans generally mingling and enjoying themselves without any hint of aggro. Long may it continue.

There is a foot off the gas group polarisation thing going on here with race right now that isn't particularly helpful to anyone, so I can perfectly understand why some people of other races wouldn't feel all that welcome here.

With that said, online communication lacks nuance. Many online conversations wouldn't even work face to face because there is more emphasis on getting along and finding common ground in person even if it's the exact same people involved and topic of conversation. Also, at a game you're dealing with a wider pool of people and demographics and we're dare I say it, all on the same side.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Feb 19 9.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

On the subject of closing down debate this morning, someone I know has decided to hopefully not sell his soul for money but to hopefully enter a successful career in writing/journalism. I’ve read 2 of his pieces. Although he isn’t left wing, far from it actually, he’s writing currently writing on a leftie type website.

In his first piece on black London knife crime he was a bit careful of his opinion. In his next piece he allowed himself to air his full opinion. We’d both appreciate any opinions on his piece. On his opinion, style and delivery. I’ve given mine. I kept agreeing throughout.


Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Feb 2019 9.50pm)

Sure link us though.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 22 Feb 19 9.59pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

On the subject of closing down debate this morning, someone I know has decided to hopefully not sell his soul for money but to hopefully enter a successful career in writing/journalism. I’ve read 2 of his pieces. Although he isn’t left wing, far from it actually, he’s writing currently writing on a leftie type website.

In his first piece on black London knife crime he was a bit careful of his opinion. In his next piece he allowed himself to air his full opinion. We’d both appreciate any opinions on his piece. On his opinion, style and delivery. I’ve given mine. I kept agreeing throughout.


Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Feb 2019 9.50pm)

The site kind of looks like people can post what they feel like. The ethos sounds commendable

"As the world becomes increasingly polarised, we create spaces online and offline for folks who don’t see eye to eye to engage critically. We help millennials leave echo chambers. The future of our democracy depends on it. Join the common sense revolution now. "

Good article from your mate too. Echo chambers and deplatforming and all that nonsense are definitely a problem in some universities. If you remove peoples right to be heard, they will just all gather elsewhere anyway in more segregated and extreme forms.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Feb 19 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure link us though.

Yes, done. Sorry, I must’ve messed it when I edited.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Feb 19 4.25am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

On the subject of closing down debate this morning, someone I know has decided to hopefully not sell his soul for money but to hopefully enter a successful career in writing/journalism. I’ve read 2 of his pieces. Although he isn’t left wing, far from it actually, he’s writing currently writing on a leftie type website.

In his first piece on black London knife crime he was a bit careful of his opinion. In his next piece he allowed himself to air his full opinion. We’d both appreciate any opinions on his piece. On his opinion, style and delivery. I’ve given mine. I kept agreeing throughout.

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Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Feb 2019 10.15pm)

Bang on the money.
Check out dinesh dzousa and ben shapiro on you tube.
Exactly what they have and are saying about unis in the USA.
Kids walking out because they dont like the topic.
There is going to be a massive amount of kids leaving uni that are goner get smacked hard with reality soon.
Maybe only then will they advise the next group to actually understand you are allowed a different opinion.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Feb 19 4.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes, done. Sorry, I must’ve messed it when I edited.


Excellent and articulate articles, I left a comment on both.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 23 Feb 19 7.42am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

On the subject of closing down debate this morning, someone I know has decided to hopefully not sell his soul for money but to hopefully enter a successful career in writing/journalism. I’ve read 2 of his pieces. Although he isn’t left wing, far from it actually, he’s writing currently writing on a leftie type website.

In his first piece on black London knife crime he was a bit careful of his opinion. In his next piece he allowed himself to air his full opinion. We’d both appreciate any opinions on his piece. On his opinion, style and delivery. I’ve given mine. I kept agreeing throughout.

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Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 Feb 2019 10.15pm)

Very good piece.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Feb 19 10.13am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

If you remove peoples right to be heard, they will just all gather elsewhere anyway in more segregated and extreme forms.

somebody tell the lefties this. They have not won an argument when they censor free speech. The are probably throwing petrol on the flames.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Feb 19 10.41am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

You’ll love this one. UCLAN university suspends social work studies student for his opinions on Halal meat and immigrants receiving free health care. Not even a discussion on it it seems. And unsurprisingly it isn’t reported in theft wing press.

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Feb 19 10.48am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Excellent and articulate articles, I left a comment on both.

Thanks. I’ve let his Dad know.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 19 11.06am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

somebody tell the lefties this. They have not won an argument when they censor free speech. The are probably throwing petrol on the flames.

I don't believe this issue has anything to do with left or right politics and those who claim it does are either misunderstanding it or being disingenuous.

Freedom of speech is important to everyone, whatever their political views. It is a precious right which needs to be defended by us all.

However, along with our rights come responsibilities. Total freedom to say and do what ever you like does not exist in a democracy, where obeying the law and ensuring order exists. Only if you are an anarchist can you argue for total freedom.

You can argue that the laws are too restrictive but you cannot ignore the laws in the meantime without risking punishment.

So if you believe any organisation, or individual, has unlawfully attempted to restrict your freedom of speech then argue your case to have it restored.

However, if you have unlawfully said or done things then the responsibility lies with you.

Hate speech is unlawful. You might not like that fact, but it is. Defining it is sometimes tricky but that doesn't mean it isn't a fact.

As this applies to everyone their politics have nothing to do with it. I would defend your right to say whatever you like, provided it stays lawful, and is done in a public space.

Individual organisations and forums can decide for themselves what their content is and allow whatever they like, so long as it doesn't fall foul of the law. They can though restrict things if they don't fit their ethos. That is their right. No-one has a right to force their way into a private space.

I have myself been banned from many right wing leaning forums for posting completely legal views which were at odds with those held by the bulk of the membership and I am myself, despite the opinion of many here, not of the left.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Feb 19 11.12am

Originally posted by soulboy

As a Palace fan living abroad, I honestly thought HOL's growing obsession with racism was most probably reflected among the general fanbase with racist chanting at Palace matches now di regueur. However, having been to Palace matches, home and way, during the past couple of months I'm happy to say, in my experience, that is not the case! I've seen Black, Chinese and Asian Palace fans generally mingling and enjoying themselves without any hint of aggro. Long may it continue.

Yes, luckily it's just a few online prats who hide behind anonymity

 


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