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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 11.42am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Surely you are stereotyping loons, lone wolfs and right-wingers. The vast majority of whom make a great contribution - probably keep the NHS going.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Surely you are stereotyping loons, lone wolfs and right-wingers. The vast majority of whom make a great contribution - probably keep the NHS going.

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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Mar 17 11.48am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Or alternatively, don't have them here in the first place. I know that is a bit of a radical solution for your way of thinking. Well, and just as an example but one that could be one of many, how would you present that case to farmers, fruit growers, etc who absolutely 100% depend on foreign workers in their thousands to pick their crops and help process them to be put on the shelves of your local massive supermarket at no too expensive prices? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 01 Mar 17 11.48am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Or alternatively, don't have them here in the first place.
I know that is a bit of a radical solution for your way of thinking.

Well, and just as an example but one that could be one of many, how would you present that case to farmers, fruit growers, etc who absolutely 100% depend on foreign workers in their thousands to pick their crops and help process them to be put on the shelves of your local massive supermarket at no too expensive prices?

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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 11.55am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, and just as an example but one that could be one of many, how would you present that case to farmers, fruit growers, etc who absolutely 100% depend on foreign workers in their thousands to pick their crops and help process them to be put on the shelves of your local massive supermarket at no too expensive prices? There was a time when these jobs used to be done by Brits. What has happened is that wages have been squeezed by ever an increasing desire to make profit by the big retailers etc. All we are doing by importing foreign workers is to perpetuate that trend toward terrible pay and conditions. You on the left should care about that.
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01 Mar 17 11.55am

Originally posted by Kermit8

There was a time when these jobs used to be done by Brits. What has happened is that wages have been squeezed by ever an increasing desire to make profit by the big retailers etc. All we are doing by importing foreign workers is to perpetuate that trend toward terrible pay and conditions.
You on the left should care about that.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Mar 17 11.56am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, and just as an example but one that could be one of many, how would you present that case to farmers, fruit growers, etc who absolutely 100% depend on foreign workers in their thousands to pick their crops and help process them to be put on the shelves of your local massive supermarket at no too expensive prices? Surprised you support exploitation by long hours, low pay, dirty conditions and physically demanding work - you being one of those socialists and all that. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 01 Mar 17 11.56am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Surprised you support exploitation by long hours, low pay, dirty conditions and physically demanding work - you being one of those socialists and all that.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Mar 17 12.31pm
You both have failed to answer my question. Not even tried. Just went with some ideological waffle as per usual. And its that type that are going to manage Brexit. Good luck UK with that. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 01 Mar 17 12.31pm

You both have failed to answer my question. Not even tried. Just went with some ideological waffle as per usual. And its that type that are going to manage Brexit.

Good luck UK with that.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Mar 17 12.51pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You both have failed to answer my question. Not even tried. Just went with some ideological waffle as per usual. And its that type that are going to manage Brexit. Good luck UK with that. Well, for start your figure of 100% dependency on foreign workers is simply not true - foreign workers make up around 36% of the farming workforce. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 01 Mar 17 12.51pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You both have failed to answer my question. Not even tried. Just went with some ideological waffle as per usual. And its that type that are going to manage Brexit.

Good luck UK with that.

Well, for start your figure of 100% dependency on foreign workers is simply not true - foreign workers make up around 36% of the farming workforce.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Mar 17 12.56pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Well, for start your figure of 100% dependency on foreign workers is simply not true - foreign workers make up around 36% of the farming workforce. I think with that porkie you are getting confused with pig farming. "Guy Poskitt, chairman of the NFU’s national horticulture and potatoes board, farms near Goole in the East Riding of Yorkshire and employs some 180 eastern Europeans out of a workforce of 270 to 280. He says the British workers he has are good but he can’t find enough and describes the eastern Europeans as “fundamental to our business. If we are unable to employ them, we would be in a very dark place indeed. I do not see how we would be able to supply the supermarkets and the shops, the hotels and the restaurants with what they need. We would all be in a very serious position.” Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 01 Mar 17 12.56pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well, for start your figure of 100% dependency on foreign workers is simply not true - foreign workers make up around 36% of the farming workforce.

I think with that porkie you are getting confused with pig farming.

"Guy Poskitt, chairman of the NFU’s national horticulture and potatoes board, farms near Goole in the East Riding of Yorkshire and employs some 180 eastern Europeans out of a workforce of 270 to 280. He says the British workers he has are good but he can’t find enough and describes the eastern Europeans as “fundamental to our business. If we are unable to employ them, we would be in a very dark place indeed. I do not see how we would be able to supply the supermarkets and the shops, the hotels and the restaurants with what they need. We would all be in a very serious position.”

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 17 12.59pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Well, for start your figure of 100% dependency on foreign workers is simply not true - foreign workers make up around 36% of the farming workforce. He didn't say 100% of workers are foreign though did he? Think you need to work on your comprehension skills.
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Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 17 12.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well, for start your figure of 100% dependency on foreign workers is simply not true - foreign workers make up around 36% of the farming workforce.

He didn't say 100% of workers are foreign though did he? Think you need to work on your comprehension skills.

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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Mar 17 1.03pm
And let's put this red herring/propaganda/outright lies about foreigners affecting pay to bed, shall we, as far as this is concerned: Mr Capper chair of the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) horticulture and potatoes board, is often asked why British people do not want to pick apples. “It’s not about pay,” she said. “A good picker may be earning £8, £9, £15 an hour. It's because they are foreign isn't it? You Right-tards don't want them here because they are foreign. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 01 Mar 17 1.03pm

And let's put this red herring/propaganda/outright lies about foreigners affecting pay to bed, shall we, as far as this is concerned:

Mr Capper chair of the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) horticulture and potatoes board, is often asked why British people do not want to pick apples. “It’s not about pay,” she said. “A good picker may be earning £8, £9, £15 an hour.

It's because they are foreign isn't it? You Right-tards don't want them here because they are foreign.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 17 1.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There was a time when these jobs used to be done by Brits. What has happened is that wages have been squeezed by ever an increasing desire to make profit by the big retailers etc. All we are doing by importing foreign workers is to perpetuate that trend toward terrible pay and conditions. You on the left should care about that. Not really, largely they relied on traveller populations from Ireland and gypsies in the UK. Granted British, but largely at the time regarded as 'the immigrants' of the day. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Mar 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not really, largely they relied on traveller populations from Ireland and gypsies in the UK. Granted British, but largely at the time regarded as 'the immigrants' of the day.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 17 1.11pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 And let's put this red herring/propaganda/outright lies about foreigners affecting pay to bed, shall we, as far as this is concerned: Mr Capper chair of the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) horticulture and potatoes board, is often asked why British people do not want to pick apples. “It’s not about pay,” she said. “A good picker may be earning £8, £9, £15 an hour. It's because they are foreign isn't it? You Right-tards don't want them here because they are foreign. The reason such work doesn't really appeal to many British people is that its seasonal. 15 an hour, 7 hours a day over a year is good enough, but in truth the reality is that this kind of work is for a month or two a year. Work such as this very much fits the idea of a temporary work force, and it would make sense to allow people period defined working visas to come to the UK to perform this work - as it will always prove difficult to staff from UK workers (it really only appeals to students). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Mar 17 1.11pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

And let's put this red herring/propaganda/outright lies about foreigners affecting pay to bed, shall we, as far as this is concerned:

It's because they are foreign isn't it? You Right-tards don't want them here because they are foreign.

The reason such work doesn't really appeal to many British people is that its seasonal. 15 an hour, 7 hours a day over a year is good enough, but in truth the reality is that this kind of work is for a month or two a year.

Work such as this very much fits the idea of a temporary work force, and it would make sense to allow people period defined working visas to come to the UK to perform this work - as it will always prove difficult to staff from UK workers (it really only appeals to students).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 1.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Not really, largely they relied on traveller populations from Ireland and gypsies in the UK. Granted British, but largely at the time regarded as 'the immigrants' of the day. And we are all grateful for the contributions they make to the community.
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01 Mar 17 1.13pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not really, largely they relied on traveller populations from Ireland and gypsies in the UK. Granted British, but largely at the time regarded as 'the immigrants' of the day.

And we are all grateful for the contributions they make to the community.

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