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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 09 Jan 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Hate crimes, which are not specific to race, are typically aimed at ethnicity and cultural groups rather than races - The key element here lies in the motivation of the offender, rather than any biological definition of the idea of race.

Where as Witch trials were prosecutions of people of a victim who would not pass actus or mens rae, hate crimes are prosecutions of an offender who has already committed a defined crime, but it was motivated by the prejudice within that offender.

So the 'racially aggravated' bit that is tagged on to many crimes these days (usually to those crimes where the defendant's ethnicity and cultural grouping tends to be towards the lighter end of the spectrum) is a kind of 'thought crime' then.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jan 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And none of this sort of thing happened under Labour I suppose.

You live in a world of party political delusion.

Well the education budget was a lot better under labour. But once again you don't answer the point, just revert to whataboutery.

 

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legaleagle Flag 09 Jan 17 3.29pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So the 'racially aggravated' bit that is tagged on to many crimes these days (usually to those crimes where the defendant's ethnicity and cultural grouping tends to be towards the lighter end of the spectrum) is a kind of 'thought crime' then.

If its a physical assault type of crime then unfortunately its very much an action crime..

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jan 17 3.37pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Ummm...that explains the contradiction not a jot...


Where have I been?

Spending years listening to all the great music coming out of here influenced by and in many cases ripped off from 20th century black US jazz and blues...a lot of it first popularised in clubs in London by immigrants!

Not to mention some great UK reggae,jazz and soul talent (Ruby Turner,Beverley Knight,Jazz Jamaica,the "London is the place for me" series of Calypso cd's...et al)

Edited by legaleagle (09 Jan 2017 3.28pm)

Dude. You do realise that musical taste is totally subjective right?

You like Jazz, I prefer Slade. Actually I like some occasional jazz too.

And the origin of musical style is not really relevant to my statement. I know you like to bang on about how the white man stole all the music but I'd say we improved it.

Subjective.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 09 Jan 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Because the advantages outweigh the cons. One need only look at the culinary experiences available in the UK, to see that there are definitely reasons to adapt.

Also you surely have to adapt in order to function in society anyhow. No ones saying you should convert to Islam or something, but is there really any adaptation that's required to 'get along and socially' with people of different ethnicity, that you wouldn't normally have to make.

I probably make more effort just to get along with 'mainstream UK society' in terms of changing how I act, dress, behave etc for work, than I do when interacting with Mr Singh who owns and runs the mini-market or Arnop who runs café metro.

Personally, I think curry should be prohibited by the Dangerous Substance Regulations and Sewage Controls.


Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jan 2017 3.40pm)

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Well the education budget was a lot better under labour. But once again you don't answer the point, just revert to whataboutery.

Almost all politicians are self serving scum. End of conversation.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 09 Jan 17 3.45pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

If its a physical assault type of crime then unfortunately its very much an action crime..

My point is, that as Jamie tells us that there are no races, then any 'racial' element in a crime must be merely in the mind of the perpetrator, therefore a 'thought crime'.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jan 17 3.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Almost all politicians are self serving scum. End of conversation.

Can't answer so shut the debate down.
#prayforhrolf

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jan 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

My point is, that as Jamie tells us that there are no races, then any 'racial' element in a crime must be merely in the mind of the perpetrator, therefore a 'thought crime'.

Black players having bananas thrown onto the pitch wasn't a racist act then? It's a thought crime.

The Kkk can't be racist either following this logic.

 

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Originally posted by hedgehog50

My point is, that as Jamie tells us that there are no races, then any 'racial' element in a crime must be merely in the mind of the perpetrator, therefore a 'thought crime'.

It's not really a thought crime when a pakistani gets his head kicked in, whether race actually exists or not, is it.
There is no doubt in my mind that "race" is used to manipulative the majority for political purposes but despite it's scientific inaccuracy it is a term that the law has adopted.
I have no problem with the protection of minority groups. Why would anyone? My concern is only when the law is used for political purposes and applied in an unbalanced or prejudiced way.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jan 17 4.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can't answer so shut the debate down.
#prayforhrolf

I can't deal with your naive political allegiance. That is all.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jan 17 4.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can't deal with your naive political allegiance. That is all.

That's clear, you are quite against a fairer more equal society. If wanting a fairer society where companies exploiting workers is dealt with and there is less disparity between haves and have nots is naive then so be it.

 

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