That sounds like a lot to me in one single year.
That's nearly the capacity of Old Trafford.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Feb 2016 12.53pm)

Apportioning blame to someone potentially of a lower socioeconomic status, rather than bankers? Next he'll be saying obesity is a result of them spending their benefits on McDonalds, which is one step away from full-on fascism.

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Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (26 Feb 2016 7.47pm)

I don't dispute the validity of your claim that there are 'x' amount of jobs 'linked' to the EU or whatever, I just note that you cannot imply over an issue of such importance that each and every one of those jobs is jeopardised by a Brexit. There is just no evidence for this. And, more importantly, I'd very much like people to think about what the upcoming push to integrate the Eurozone means for them and their families. As we, on the periphery of Europe, face the prospect of a centralised Eurozone tax system we MUST MUST MUST ask ourselves....where will we be if I vote to stay??? The truth is we will be in a worsened, more marginalised position than we will be if we take back control. It's not rhetoric Kermit, it's just plain common sense.

And seriously, how on earth can you talk about empathy when you advocate the certain erosion of democracy for the sake of wild conjecture over the future of markets which no one has a clue about anyway. We're headed for another slump as it is! In any case, when we look at how European economies have fared and compare their sluggish performance with our own successes, it is clear that we have done well not because of the EU, but in spite of it. But, you know what, this is all a side-show...I don't want to trade of stats and economic theories when we are talking about such key issues.

That's the thing, though. I don't sit here and say to you, or anyone, that no jobs will be lost and that there will be no setbacks. As we should all know, Mr. Market is an emotional man. I'm sure there will be short term pain....but only for long term gain. Please man, for Christ's sake, when we are talking about such fundamental, inalienable rights as that of being able to decide one's own future and not be subject to the increasingly pervasive force of supranational law then there is no room for compromise, no room for cowardice, and no room for lies and propaganda!

Enoch Powell was a controversial figure but he was right when he said that if we did not leave the EU in 1975, then we never would. He was wisely noting that we will inevitably grow to believe that we NEED the EU, even if we don't want it or need it. To see your post in light of such considerations reveals the success of the EU project and the political philosophy upon which it is built; If the EU stops integrating, people question whether they need it, and the project collapses. Keep on pressing the case for further integration, however, and people will come to believe they cannot survive without it. You, not I, are a victim of EU doctrine. Your sense of dependence on a clique in Brussels and your lack of will to claim your right to self-determination is testament to the pernicious successes of ever-closer union!

The risks of staying a member of the EU extend far beyond your vague economic case for not voting to leave. For example, is it really unrealistic to imagine in years to come that the EU will usurp our position on the UN security council and NATO if we continue to be represented as an EU nation???? No, it is not! I do not for one minute think we will leave the EU, and I cannot begin to tell you how much I regret that fact. Many people, though, will regret voting to stay. At the very least I can say, and proudly so, that I won't be one of them.

Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (26 Feb 2016 8.44pm)

If you like to decide the content of your own posts on Holmesdale, and not have someone else do it for you, then welcome to the leave campaign.

My problem with leaving (I think) is that it will give carte blanche for the Tories to be even bigger cunds than they are at present - not that the EU are that brilliant for worker rights.