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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jan 22 8.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My definition of populism is exactly the same as most. Google define it as "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups." Which works for me. If Johnson isn't put out to grass it's the Tories who won't be going anywhere. So it's a very convenient term since it can be seen to include just about anything. It's not the Tory's performance that you need to look at, it is Labour. Despite all the government's alleged own goals, Labour are still performing poorly. The Liberals have had their usual mid term success, which will never be repeated in a general election. Boris still has popularity among voters despite his limitations. The threat to the Tories will be from an emerging sensible Right Wing party if one ever gets its act together and eats into Tory votes.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My definition of populism is exactly the same as most. Google define it as "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups." Which works for me.

If Johnson isn't put out to grass it's the Tories who won't be going anywhere.

So it's a very convenient term since it can be seen to include just about anything.

It's not the Tory's performance that you need to look at, it is Labour. Despite all the government's alleged own goals, Labour are still performing poorly. The Liberals have had their usual mid term success, which will never be repeated in a general election.
Boris still has popularity among voters despite his limitations. The threat to the Tories will be from an emerging sensible Right Wing party if one ever gets its act together and eats into Tory votes.

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BlueJay UK 11 Jan 22 10.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is just the usual desperate Leftists... trying anything to score a point against a government with a massive majority. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Jan 2022 6.04pm) It's perfectly clear that much if not all of what is happening right now is jostling within the party, and a concerted and drawn out effort to get Boris out of the top job. Fascinating to see it play out. And again, much like your habit of having a ludicrously lurched view on race, politically it pays to break that habit and appreciate that a government making decisions that kept people (regardless of their politics) away from dying loved ones while jollying it up themselves is massively insulting to the British public. The contrast between forcing people to die alone while knocking back Pimms themselves is about as stark as it gets and transcends party politics. Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2022 12.15am) Quote I seriously doubt Boris is going anywhere. I had considered it 50/50, but based on your frequently disconnected takes if this is genuinely your stance, he's certainly in major trouble. Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2022 9.08am)
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UK 11 Jan 22 10.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is just the usual desperate Leftists... trying anything to score a point against a government with a massive majority.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Jan 2022 6.04pm)

It's perfectly clear that much if not all of what is happening right now is jostling within the party, and a concerted and drawn out effort to get Boris out of the top job. Fascinating to see it play out.

And again, much like your habit of having a ludicrously lurched view on race, politically it pays to break that habit and appreciate that a government making decisions that kept people (regardless of their politics) away from dying loved ones while jollying it up themselves is massively insulting to the British public. The contrast between forcing people to die alone while knocking back Pimms themselves is about as stark as it gets and transcends party politics.

Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2022 12.15am)

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I seriously doubt Boris is going anywhere.

I had considered it 50/50, but based on your frequently disconnected takes if this is genuinely your stance, he's certainly in major trouble.

Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2022 9.08am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 22 11.02pm
Originally posted by chris123 Gove does a good job wherever he goes though. The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 22 11.02pm

Originally posted by chris123

Gove does a good job wherever he goes though.

The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 22 11.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So it's a very convenient term since it can be seen to include just about anything. It's not the Tory's performance that you need to look at, it is Labour. Despite all the government's alleged own goals, Labour are still performing poorly. The Liberals have had their usual mid term success, which will never be repeated in a general election. Boris still has popularity among voters despite his limitations. The threat to the Tories will be from an emerging sensible Right Wing party if one ever gets its act together and eats into Tory votes. Not at all. You ignore the important phrase "that strives to appeal to ordinary people". Populism tries to make the politicians who adopt it popular by giving the people what they want, and not delivering what they need. When we choose representatives we expect them to take decisions on our behalf that are in our best interests. We don't elect them to be delegates who simply do what we want. Populism is a landscape of false dawns, populated by fake politicians interested in their own survival and not that of the people they serve. That the opposition remains weak and quite possibly in its death throes is undeniable. I sincerely hope new parties emerge, including one on the right. The sooner the current Tories realise they can be split down the middle the better. I want to see smaller parties, some regionally based, and a series of coalitions, so we avoid any wild swings from left to right but establish a generally accepted consensus, with only minor deviations. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 22 11.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it's a very convenient term since it can be seen to include just about anything.

Not at all. You ignore the important phrase "that strives to appeal to ordinary people". Populism tries to make the politicians who adopt it popular by giving the people what they want, and not delivering what they need. When we choose representatives we expect them to take decisions on our behalf that are in our best interests. We don't elect them to be delegates who simply do what we want.

Populism is a landscape of false dawns, populated by fake politicians interested in their own survival and not that of the people they serve.

That the opposition remains weak and quite possibly in its death throes is undeniable. I sincerely hope new parties emerge, including one on the right. The sooner the current Tories realise they can be split down the middle the better. I want to see smaller parties, some regionally based, and a series of coalitions, so we avoid any wild swings from left to right but establish a generally accepted consensus, with only minor deviations.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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dreamwaverider London 11 Jan 22 11.51pm
Naaahhh. Not a cats chance in hell. What you got to consider is that most of them are piss heads on both sides. There were 30/40 at the party. Who would be sliced? There all a bunch of numtys. No Boris won’t get scratched on this one.
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Naaahhh. Not a cats chance in hell. What you got to consider is that most of them are piss heads on both sides. There were 30/40 at the party. Who would be sliced? There all a bunch of numtys. No Boris won’t get scratched on this one.

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BlueJay UK 12 Jan 22 12.39am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Naaahhh. Not a cats chance in hell. What you got to consider is that most of them are piss heads on both sides. There were 30/40 at the party. Who would be sliced? There all a bunch of numtys. No Boris won’t get scratched on this one. Currently about even money to go or stay, so I take it you'll be placing the house on it? Free money, right?
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UK 12 Jan 22 12.39am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Currently about even money to go or stay, so I take it you'll be placing the house on it? Free money, right?

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YT Oxford 12 Jan 22 8.52am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm. Whereas at least Tony Blair had some charisma. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 12 Jan 22 8.52am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm.

Whereas at least Tony Blair had some charisma.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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BlueJay UK 12 Jan 22 9.04am
Originally posted by YT Whereas at least Tony Blair had some charisma. Both repulsive in their own way. Whether party or PM it's fast becoming an equivalent is selecting which STD you'd prefer.
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BlueJay

UK 12 Jan 22 9.04am

Originally posted by YT

Whereas at least Tony Blair had some charisma.

Both repulsive in their own way. Whether party or PM it's fast becoming an equivalent is selecting which STD you'd prefer.

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georgenorman 12 Jan 22 9.25am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm. Is that the one nation tory consensus?
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georgenorman

12 Jan 22 9.25am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm.

Is that the one nation tory consensus?

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chris123 hove actually 12 Jan 22 9.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm. Traditional Aberdonian characteristics.
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hove actually 12 Jan 22 9.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm.

Traditional Aberdonian characteristics.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Jan 22 9.51am
Boris Johnson has in the past been described as a "greased albino piglet". He might well be cornered in a cul-de-sac with the butchers whetting their knives. This is the gravest,most serious crisis he has faced since becoming PM. Edited by Willo (12 Jan 2022 10.20am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Jan 22 9.51am

Boris Johnson has in the past been described as a "greased albino piglet". He might well be cornered in a cul-de-sac with the butchers whetting their knives.

This is the gravest,most serious crisis he has faced since becoming PM.

Edited by Willo (12 Jan 2022 10.20am)

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silvertop Portishead 12 Jan 22 10.28am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm. Quite. Wholly unelectable, regardless of ability
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Portishead 12 Jan 22 10.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job he does best is be an unattractive, self-righteous slimeball without an ounce of charisma. Not a good appearance for a potential pm.

Quite. Wholly unelectable, regardless of ability

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