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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 21 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Southgate has a plethora of quality attacking options available to him and should be playing to England's strengths (i.e. attacking). We have the type of squad which should be winning games 4-2 rather than 1-0.

Whenever we have come up against quality opposition, he has been found wanting. He's done a great job of building moral and getting the feel good factor back to the national team and getting the media on their side, but truthfully he doesn't have the tactical naus to manage in the Premier League.

As others have said, he's not fit to tie Roy's bootlaces when it comes to management.

He has not had much experience managing at the top level in club football.

Compare his club management experience with that of managers of some of the top nations before they were appointed to their current job.
Deschamps was a manager for some 11 years before taking the France job, managing clubs like Monaco,Juventus and Marseille.
Low won leagues and cups and had about 11 years experience before being appointed manager of Germany.
Mancini had been a manager for 17 years with PL and Serie A clubs, winning leagues and cups.

 

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Speronilover69 8=D~~ Flag Horsham 20 Jun 21 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Speronilover69 8=D~~ Add Speronilover69 8=D~~ as a friend

Please no!

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 20 Jun 21 3.28pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Southgate won 57 England caps over a 9 year period. You don't achieve that if you are a mediocre player.

And Matt Le Tissier had how many?
Far from mediocre.
Southgate was no more than average, but his face fit and was a good steady pro, hence the amount of caps.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Jun 21 3.52pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Southgate has a plethora of quality attacking options available to him and should be playing to England's strengths (i.e. attacking). We have the type of squad which should be winning games 4-2 rather than 1-0.

Whenever we have come up against quality opposition, he has been found wanting. He's done a great job of building moral and getting the feel good factor back to the national team and getting the media on their side, but truthfully he doesn't have the tactical naus to manage in the Premier League.

As others have said, he's not fit to tie Roy's bootlaces when it comes to management.

Why on earth would we be seeking to win group stage games 4 - 2?

England have to drag 25 fatigued players through 7 tough matches. The method must be don't concede don't get injured steer the easiest course and progress as far as you can.

Portugal gave the impression of being hopeless in the group stage of the last euros...

 

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 20 Jun 21 4.45pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Why on earth would we be seeking to win group stage games 4 - 2?

England have to drag 25 fatigued players through 7 tough matches. The method must be don't concede don't get injured steer the easiest course and progress as far as you can.

Portugal gave the impression of being hopeless in the group stage of the last euros...

Each to their own, but it’s the third group game where you can consider that sort of tactics once you have the points tucked away. There is no way they were trying to be clever against Scotland.
I’ve worked with a lot of players (albeit at a lower level) and the one thing they all have in common is the absolute desire to win - not the desire to draw, take it easy etc.

It’s harder, causes more fatigue and risks more injuries trying to get good attacking players to play as Southgate wants them to, rather than play their natural game. Zaha, for example, is more likely to get injured/frustrated/carded trying to defend.

If you play silly games in match 2 - trying to be clever etc, you can get caught out and then you have to really go for it in game 3 and that’s where you’ll get the injuries, risk the cards etc as you’ll need to play your best team to ensure qualification. Too much pressure, too much hype and that causes angst, panic and ultimately aggression as the clock counts down. If they were Southgates tactics he’s a lot more inept than I game him credit for and I didn’t think that was possible.

Edited by Helmet46 (20 Jun 2021 5.25pm)

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Jun 21 4.47pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

He has not had much experience managing at the top level in club football.

Compare his club management experience with that of managers of some of the top nations before they were appointed to their current job.
Deschamps was a manager for some 11 years before taking the France job, managing clubs like Monaco,Juventus and Marseille.
Low won leagues and cups and had about 11 years experience before being appointed manager of Germany.
Mancini had been a manager for 17 years with PL and Serie A clubs, winning leagues and cups.

All very well n good, BUT, we are discussing Southgate & the England managers job/position. We are concerned with what 'Johnny foriegner' manager does for his team/club/country, unless of course he happens to either managed or signed to manager our club.

IF, one of those managers you mention & there are others, were to become a Palace manager, then, yes, I'd love to read their stats.

C'mon Wales(tonight), c'mon England(tuesday) & more importantly in the Concacaf, c'mon Bermuda.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 20 Jun 21 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Why on earth would we be seeking to win group stage games 4 - 2?

England have to drag 25 fatigued players through 7 tough matches. The method must be don't concede don't get injured steer the easiest course and progress as far as you can.

Portugal gave the impression of being hopeless in the group stage of the last euros...

We’ll, because as I explained, that’s the strength of the squad. We have so many attacking threats we should be out scoring our opposition not trying to out defend them. Defensive tactics breeds such negativity and turns fans and media against them. Playing both Rice and Phillips with Grealish on the bench pretty much sums it up.

If we had quality defenders and crap strikers, I’d agree with you.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Jun 21 6.05pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Helmet46

Each to their own, but it’s the third group game where you can consider that sort of tactics once you have the points tucked away. There is no way they were trying to be clever against Scotland.
I’ve worked with a lot of players (albeit at a lower level) and the one thing they all have in common is the absolute desire to win - not the desire to draw, take it easy etc.

It’s harder, causes more fatigue and risks more injuries trying to get good attacking players to play as Southgate wants them to, rather than play their natural game. Zaha, for example, is more likely to get injured/frustrated/carded trying to defend.

If you play silly games in match 2 - trying to be clever etc, you can get caught out and then you have to really go for it in game 3 and that’s where you’ll get the injuries, risk the cards etc as you’ll need to play your best team to ensure qualification. Too much pressure, too much hype and that causes angst, panic and ultimately aggression as the clock counts down. If they were Southgates tactics he’s a lot more inept than I game him credit for and I didn’t think that was possible.

Edited by Helmet46 (20 Jun 2021 5.25pm)

Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done.

The only negative is fodens card.

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 20 Jun 21 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done.

The only negative is fodens card.

Not sure I subscribe to the idea of trying to finish second to get in the easiest side of the draw. It always bites you in the arse.

You’ve got to beat the best to be the best and I’d rather we took momentum and confidence into round two rather than limping over the line. We have enough depth in every position to go 100% in every game.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Jun 21 6.24pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done.

The only negative is fodens card.

Gets wiped out after the next & last group game, providing he stays clear of another one, if picked to play.

Bit like Wales, their 3 players who are on a yellow, were omitted from todays squad, so they are 'free' in the knockout stages, which, btw, is looking ok for them.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jun 21 6.34pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done.

The only negative is fodens card.

I don't quite think it's the only negative. There were plenty of others, so glaringly obvious I can't even be bothered to mention them.

 


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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 20 Jun 21 7.31pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Southgate was chosen by Venables primarily because he had great football intelligence. He was totally inexperienced when he got the Boro job and he has clearly learnt from his mistakes - you can't just take for granted the three at the back system he employed leading up to the last World Cup and how successful it was. I had big doubts before the Croatia game and Southgate rammed it all back down our throats - totally vindicated. You can argue that he should have started Grealish last game and not played Trippier on the left but professor hindsight is always right - it's never that straightforward. Generally I'd say for Palace fans to turn their nose up at Southgate is a serious case of delusions of grandeur - it would be an amazing appointment, but this is very hypothetical.

 

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