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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 21 2.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Southgate has a plethora of quality attacking options available to him and should be playing to England's strengths (i.e. attacking). We have the type of squad which should be winning games 4-2 rather than 1-0. Whenever we have come up against quality opposition, he has been found wanting. He's done a great job of building moral and getting the feel good factor back to the national team and getting the media on their side, but truthfully he doesn't have the tactical naus to manage in the Premier League. As others have said, he's not fit to tie Roy's bootlaces when it comes to management. He has not had much experience managing at the top level in club football. Compare his club management experience with that of managers of some of the top nations before they were appointed to their current job.
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Speronilover69 8=D~~ Horsham 20 Jun 21 2.28pm | |
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Please no!
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sickboy Deal or Croydon 20 Jun 21 3.28pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
And Matt Le Tissier had how many?
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silvertop Portishead 20 Jun 21 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Southgate has a plethora of quality attacking options available to him and should be playing to England's strengths (i.e. attacking). We have the type of squad which should be winning games 4-2 rather than 1-0. Whenever we have come up against quality opposition, he has been found wanting. He's done a great job of building moral and getting the feel good factor back to the national team and getting the media on their side, but truthfully he doesn't have the tactical naus to manage in the Premier League. As others have said, he's not fit to tie Roy's bootlaces when it comes to management. Why on earth would we be seeking to win group stage games 4 - 2? England have to drag 25 fatigued players through 7 tough matches. The method must be don't concede don't get injured steer the easiest course and progress as far as you can. Portugal gave the impression of being hopeless in the group stage of the last euros...
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Helmet46 Croydon 20 Jun 21 4.45pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Why on earth would we be seeking to win group stage games 4 - 2? England have to drag 25 fatigued players through 7 tough matches. The method must be don't concede don't get injured steer the easiest course and progress as far as you can. Portugal gave the impression of being hopeless in the group stage of the last euros... Each to their own, but it’s the third group game where you can consider that sort of tactics once you have the points tucked away. There is no way they were trying to be clever against Scotland. It’s harder, causes more fatigue and risks more injuries trying to get good attacking players to play as Southgate wants them to, rather than play their natural game. Zaha, for example, is more likely to get injured/frustrated/carded trying to defend. If you play silly games in match 2 - trying to be clever etc, you can get caught out and then you have to really go for it in game 3 and that’s where you’ll get the injuries, risk the cards etc as you’ll need to play your best team to ensure qualification. Too much pressure, too much hype and that causes angst, panic and ultimately aggression as the clock counts down. If they were Southgates tactics he’s a lot more inept than I game him credit for and I didn’t think that was possible. Edited by Helmet46 (20 Jun 2021 5.25pm)
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Jun 21 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
He has not had much experience managing at the top level in club football. Compare his club management experience with that of managers of some of the top nations before they were appointed to their current job. All very well n good, BUT, we are discussing Southgate & the England managers job/position. We are concerned with what 'Johnny foriegner' manager does for his team/club/country, unless of course he happens to either managed or signed to manager our club. IF, one of those managers you mention & there are others, were to become a Palace manager, then, yes, I'd love to read their stats. C'mon Wales(tonight), c'mon England(tuesday) & more importantly in the Concacaf, c'mon Bermuda.
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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Goal Machine The Cronx 20 Jun 21 5.53pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Why on earth would we be seeking to win group stage games 4 - 2? England have to drag 25 fatigued players through 7 tough matches. The method must be don't concede don't get injured steer the easiest course and progress as far as you can. Portugal gave the impression of being hopeless in the group stage of the last euros... We’ll, because as I explained, that’s the strength of the squad. We have so many attacking threats we should be out scoring our opposition not trying to out defend them. Defensive tactics breeds such negativity and turns fans and media against them. Playing both Rice and Phillips with Grealish on the bench pretty much sums it up. If we had quality defenders and crap strikers, I’d agree with you.
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silvertop Portishead 20 Jun 21 6.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Each to their own, but it’s the third group game where you can consider that sort of tactics once you have the points tucked away. There is no way they were trying to be clever against Scotland. It’s harder, causes more fatigue and risks more injuries trying to get good attacking players to play as Southgate wants them to, rather than play their natural game. Zaha, for example, is more likely to get injured/frustrated/carded trying to defend. If you play silly games in match 2 - trying to be clever etc, you can get caught out and then you have to really go for it in game 3 and that’s where you’ll get the injuries, risk the cards etc as you’ll need to play your best team to ensure qualification. Too much pressure, too much hype and that causes angst, panic and ultimately aggression as the clock counts down. If they were Southgates tactics he’s a lot more inept than I game him credit for and I didn’t think that was possible. Edited by Helmet46 (20 Jun 2021 5.25pm) Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done. The only negative is fodens card.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 20 Jun 21 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done. The only negative is fodens card. Not sure I subscribe to the idea of trying to finish second to get in the easiest side of the draw. It always bites you in the arse. You’ve got to beat the best to be the best and I’d rather we took momentum and confidence into round two rather than limping over the line. We have enough depth in every position to go 100% in every game.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Jun 21 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done. The only negative is fodens card. Gets wiped out after the next & last group game, providing he stays clear of another one, if picked to play. Bit like Wales, their 3 players who are on a yellow, were omitted from todays squad, so they are 'free' in the knockout stages, which, btw, is looking ok for them.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jun 21 6.34pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Sure there are risks but 2nd place with no injuries or much effort is job done. The only negative is fodens card. I don't quite think it's the only negative. There were plenty of others, so glaringly obvious I can't even be bothered to mention them.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 20 Jun 21 7.31pm | |
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Southgate was chosen by Venables primarily because he had great football intelligence. He was totally inexperienced when he got the Boro job and he has clearly learnt from his mistakes - you can't just take for granted the three at the back system he employed leading up to the last World Cup and how successful it was. I had big doubts before the Croatia game and Southgate rammed it all back down our throats - totally vindicated. You can argue that he should have started Grealish last game and not played Trippier on the left but professor hindsight is always right - it's never that straightforward. Generally I'd say for Palace fans to turn their nose up at Southgate is a serious case of delusions of grandeur - it would be an amazing appointment, but this is very hypothetical.
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