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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 27 Apr 21 7.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
I’m with you here. It’s good to be in the PL because I was rather hoping that the money would be used to upgrade the ground and improve the spectator experience. I get the academy and appreciate that but the ground seems to stall.
Totally relate to this. I know to expect before a ball has even been kicked - more of the same! Don’t get me started on his post match analysis - where keeping the deficit down to a goal is seen as some sort of achievement worthy of praise. I can’t wait for the season to be over - so that a new era can start.
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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 27 Apr 21 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by manoftaste
Really interesting thread. Nice summary and very good post. Pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Next season I’ll be watching far more Non VAR games live than VAR. I’ll be watching non-league Boston United in their splendid new stadium. I’ll probably go to more Palace Away games than Home ones too as I enjoy the away travel and making a day/weekend of it, plus the atmosphere is usually better and we often give it a bit of a go.
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Elwissthebest Marlborough 27 Apr 21 8.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Elphers40
Totally relate to this. I know to expect before a ball has even been kicked - more of the same! Don’t get me started on his post match analysis - where keeping the deficit down to a goal is seen as some sort of achievement worthy of praise. I can’t wait for the season to be over - so that a new era can start. Couldn't agree more. What I find completely incomprehensible is that so many posters regard avoiding relegation as an ACHIEVEMENT. In our eighth consecutive season in the Premiership, with arguably the strongest squad we've ever had, and certainly the most expensive, avoiding relegation should be ASSUMED.
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palace chick South Croydon 27 Apr 21 8.54pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
We're an older squad, there is a severe lack of pace. We don't press, except for short periods, we don't make good runs, we drop deep - sometimes even against bottom sides. We also don't cross as ours cut inside, there is usually no one in the box anyhow. Roy is doing what he thinks will keep us up. That is probably true. However, our football is boring. Agreed and thank goodness Fulham took ages to get the loan players gelling together and that West Brom didn’t get going until recently otherwise we would be in big trouble. Fulham may be going down but most of the matches I’ve seen them in have been enjoyable stuff. I believe it’s mainly us that are so boring to watch for our faithful fans. I would be happier playing like Norwich with players on low wages putting a shift in and going between divisions rather than watching us play. Promotion from the championship is more enjoyable than flirting with relegation / mid table every season. It really does get depressing to watch. I just hope those players on high salaries leave as they are out of contract and that we get a younger more exciting squad in. That would also mean Hodgson has to go and may mean relegation next season. But, hopefully followed by a promotion?
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 27 Apr 21 10.17pm | |
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My view at the start of the season was that we’d struggle to stay up. I don’t think the squad has sufficient legs and the defence has been a rotational patch up job all season despite a large proportion of fan base being happy with the summer window and not recognising the issues at centre back. Some of the performances have been horrible and not nice to watch but I can’t honestly say at any point I’ve been bored. Neither have I ever seen supporting Palace as entertainment anyway although the first year of both Pardew’s and Roy’s tenure were pretty decent.
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CharlesPaterson 28 Apr 21 1.36am | |
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Agree with the OP.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 28 Apr 21 6.14am | |
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Originally posted by pompeyeagle
If I’m watching a game and a goal is scored as soon as I hear “var is looking at this “ that’s it I’m done. I turn the TV off. I can’t be doing with it and I can’t see the fans standing for it when they return. Agree. VAR is the worst thing to happen to football. I don’t even watch anymore unless it’s Palace. Found myself celebrating the Zaha goal at 75% on Monday as was expecting a VAR check for something. Against WBA they were checking our penalty for handball and then checking for an offside in the build up. VAR to check a VAR. Refs get about 90% right, you get some in your favour and some against but it averages out. Time to get back to the old method. VAR was bought in to help refs get the right decision as there is so much diving. The FA briefly introduced retrospective bans for diving which was a sensible idea, but apart from Niasse against us it was never enforced properly. Fans need to unite in a movement against VAR and I think it will happen soon. But in response to the OP, I agree that it is so desperately boring. Roy has done great on the whole but needs to go. Take a gamble on the next manager, I think many would would prefer to have a few seasons scrapping in the championship rather than endure more years of mid table Premier League non existence. I certainly would.
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TheBigToePunt 28 Apr 21 1.29pm | |
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VAR in its current form is awful, as is the ease and frequency with which free kicks are 'won'. Neither creates a competitive, well fought, high tempo sport that stirs the soul, which is what football should be. At the same time, the biggest issue is the exact one the Real Madrid President, Mr F. Perez esq, cited as his justification for starting a European Super League - football itself can/has/will become stale and boring. He was right to say that, though he failed to notice his own role in creating that reality. For over 100 years professional football has consisted of hundreds of private companies doing exclusively what is best for them, seeking to utilize every advantage against each other. In American sports they load the dice in favour of the current worst teams to guard against long term monopolies. We have never had any such 'reset' or 'balancing' functions - the more successful a football club gets, the more advantage it has over those who are less successful. That's not fatal until you begin to hyper-inflate the amount of money involved. The gap between us and Millwall, Charlton, QPR etc is currently a chasm - we can buy any of their players we want, any time - yet the gap between us and City, United, Chelsea etc is as great, if not greater, and it only widens every year. This is all reflected on the pitch. Even with the most expensive squad (possibly best) we've ever had, the cost of which cannot be imagined by our lower local rivals, we still can't compete. Not properly, in the way football fans outside the top flight might see their team compete - on the pitch, taking the game to each other to some extent at least. Over 15 years we have seen the ongoing rise in the premier league of totally one-sided games. It has become not only accepted, but also evidently the wisest strategy for the relative 'have nots' to not even try to engage the big boys toe-to-toe. Pundits questioning the 'ambition' or 'style' of the bottom eight clubs can f*** off - if you want to be entertained by decent football matches then extend your anti-super league wrath to UEFA, the Premier League and the broadcasters, all of whom are responsible for such a disjointed, flawed competition. Don't expect clubs like Palace to step into the ring with one hand behind their back and their chins sticking out. It got to the stage in Spain where smaller clubs were actually resting their best players against Real Madrid and Barcelona, as they had no chance of winning anyway. It made sense for the likes of Getafe to focus on playing Eibar the week after instead. It is very rare for a league game involving one big club to be competitive, or engaging, in any of the big European leagues. Football, as the sport has been known for over a century, is harder and harder to find. No wonder Perez is worried that the football is disinteresting. It's boring for the fans of big clubs to watch, just as it's boring for us. Nobody enjoys it as far as I can see.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 28 Apr 21 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
VAR in its current form is awful, as is the ease and frequency with which free kicks are 'won'. Neither creates a competitive, well fought, high tempo sport that stirs the soul, which is what football should be. At the same time, the biggest issue is the exact one the Real Madrid President, Mr F. Perez esq, cited as his justification for starting a European Super League - football itself can/has/will become stale and boring. He was right to say that, though he failed to notice his own role in creating that reality. For over 100 years professional football has consisted of hundreds of private companies doing exclusively what is best for them, seeking to utilize every advantage against each other. In American sports they load the dice in favour of the current worst teams to guard against long term monopolies. We have never had any such 'reset' or 'balancing' functions - the more successful a football club gets, the more advantage it has over those who are less successful. That's not fatal until you begin to hyper-inflate the amount of money involved. The gap between us and Millwall, Charlton, QPR etc is currently a chasm - we can buy any of their players we want, any time - yet the gap between us and City, United, Chelsea etc is as great, if not greater, and it only widens every year. This is all reflected on the pitch. Even with the most expensive squad (possibly best) we've ever had, the cost of which cannot be imagined by our lower local rivals, we still can't compete. Not properly, in the way football fans outside the top flight might see their team compete - on the pitch, taking the game to each other to some extent at least. Over 15 years we have seen the ongoing rise in the premier league of totally one-sided games. It has become not only accepted, but also evidently the wisest strategy for the relative 'have nots' to not even try to engage the big boys toe-to-toe. Pundits questioning the 'ambition' or 'style' of the bottom eight clubs can f*** off - if you want to be entertained by decent football matches then extend your anti-super league wrath to UEFA, the Premier League and the broadcasters, all of whom are responsible for such a disjointed, flawed competition. Don't expect clubs like Palace to step into the ring with one hand behind their back and their chins sticking out. It got to the stage in Spain where smaller clubs were actually resting their best players against Real Madrid and Barcelona, as they had no chance of winning anyway. It made sense for the likes of Getafe to focus on playing Eibar the week after instead. It is very rare for a league game involving one big club to be competitive, or engaging, in any of the big European leagues. Football, as the sport has been known for over a century, is harder and harder to find. No wonder Perez is worried that the football is disinteresting. It's boring for the fans of big clubs to watch, just as it's boring for us. Nobody enjoys it as far as I can see.
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YT Oxford 28 Apr 21 4.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Daddyorc
Could you imagine if he did that today? In order of annoyance: 1. Disallowed goal Indeed, but at the time, of course, perfectly within the rules. Note that the commentator (Kenneth Wolstenholme) didn't hesitate to call the goal - not even a suggestion that a foul might have been committed. Also that no Man U player "appealed" and that they all applauded Lofthouse and his teammates off the pitch at the end.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 28 Apr 21 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
I agree with you......again doom and not so gloomy. Quite right, as was the post by BTP to which you were responding.
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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 28 Apr 21 6.50pm | |
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I go to most home games every season, so about twenty give or take in nine months. But how it’s felt to me in recent years is, if I go out elsewhere, I don’t go to the same s*** restaurant twenty times in the same period or if I go to the cinema, I don’t go to watch the same s*** film twenty times. Yet palace I go back game after game after game, same s*** different game, with a half decent one once every blue moon The joys of being a Palace fan Edited by monkey (28 Apr 2021 6.52pm)
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