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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 15 Jan 21 2.42pm
Originally posted by mezzer Jealousy's not a good trait you know Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have the guts to tell Souness to his face Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 15 Jan 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Jealousy's not a good trait you know

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have the guts to tell Souness to his face

Old, Ungifted and White

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Midlands Eagle 15 Jan 21 3.39pm
Originally posted by Willo From a personal perspective, perhaps a former referee could be on the commentary team giving a referee's perspective of some of the decisions on the field and the VAR interventions. From my personal perspective I would rather we went back to the old days and have just one commentator whose primary role was to identify the player on the ball and dispense with all the other drivel
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15 Jan 21 3.39pm

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Originally posted by Willo

From a personal perspective, perhaps a former referee could be on the commentary team giving a referee's perspective of some of the decisions on the field and the VAR interventions.

From my personal perspective I would rather we went back to the old days and have just one commentator whose primary role was to identify the player on the ball and dispense with all the other drivel

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Spiderman Horsham 15 Jan 21 3.55pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle From my personal perspective I would rather we went back to the old days and have just one commentator whose primary role was to identify the player on the ball and dispense with all the other drivel Agree
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Spiderman

Horsham 15 Jan 21 3.55pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

From my personal perspective I would rather we went back to the old days and have just one commentator whose primary role was to identify the player on the ball and dispense with all the other drivel

Agree

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 4.17pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Agree With respect I disagree.I enjoy being educated by the supplementary information in relation to players. EG Their boyhood club, employment carried out prior to being a professional etc etc etc. The commentators have treated us to a plethora of information relating to the players and the clubs on display and long may it continue.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 4.17pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Agree

With respect I disagree.I enjoy being educated by the supplementary information in relation to players.
EG Their boyhood club, employment carried out prior to being a professional etc etc etc.

The commentators have treated us to a plethora of information relating to the players and the clubs on display and long may it continue.

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JRW2 Dulwich 15 Jan 21 4.57pm
Originally posted by Willo With respect I disagree.I enjoy being educated by the supplementary information in relation to players. EG Their boyhood club, employment carried out prior to being a professional etc etc etc. The commentators have treated us to a plethora of information relating to the players and the clubs on display and long may it continue. You say you disagree with Midlands, but you both agree that commentators don't need an assistant - "a sentiment with which I fully concur" (have to get the language right!). Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it but say that commentators already provide it. And you're right - I can't recall any "expert" ever telling us where someone was born or when he first scored a hat-trick. I'm reminded of dear old Bill Maclaren, the rugby commentator, who for years - before "progress" took over - handled the whole match on his own. He had what he called his "board", on which he wrote random but interesting facts about every player. Anyone who heard him will recall, after a player had perhaps scored a particularly good try, how he would exclaim, "They'll be celebrating in the streets of Selkirk/Llanelli/Cork/Northampton, or at xyz grammar school." Good old days!
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JRW2

Dulwich 15 Jan 21 4.57pm

Originally posted by Willo

With respect I disagree.I enjoy being educated by the supplementary information in relation to players.
EG Their boyhood club, employment carried out prior to being a professional etc etc etc.

The commentators have treated us to a plethora of information relating to the players and the clubs on display and long may it continue.

You say you disagree with Midlands, but you both agree that commentators don't need an assistant - "a sentiment with which I fully concur" (have to get the language right!). Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it but say that commentators already provide it. And you're right - I can't recall any "expert" ever telling us where someone was born or when he first scored a hat-trick.

I'm reminded of dear old Bill Maclaren, the rugby commentator, who for years - before "progress" took over - handled the whole match on his own. He had what he called his "board", on which he wrote random but interesting facts about every player. Anyone who heard him will recall, after a player had perhaps scored a particularly good try, how he would exclaim, "They'll be celebrating in the streets of Selkirk/Llanelli/Cork/Northampton, or at xyz grammar school."

Good old days!

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Midlands Eagle 15 Jan 21 5.24pm
Originally posted by JRW2 Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it Sky currently devote two channels for each match with one carrying artificial crowd noise and the other au naturel. When spectators are allowed back the second channel will be redundant so why not have one channel for those that just want to watch football and the other with additional commentary for all those that need to know the name of the player's first teddy bear or the colour of his favourite socks
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Midlands Eagle

15 Jan 21 5.24pm

Originally posted by JRW2

Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it

Sky currently devote two channels for each match with one carrying artificial crowd noise and the other au naturel.

When spectators are allowed back the second channel will be redundant so why not have one channel for those that just want to watch football and the other with additional commentary for all those that need to know the name of the player's first teddy bear or the colour of his favourite socks

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 6.09pm
Originally posted by JRW2 You say you disagree with Midlands, but you both agree that commentators don't need an assistant - "a sentiment with which I fully concur" (have to get the language right!). Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it but say that commentators already provide it. And you're right - I can't recall any "expert" ever telling us where someone was born or when he first scored a hat-trick. I'm reminded of dear old Bill Maclaren, the rugby commentator, who for years - before "progress" took over - handled the whole match on his own. He had what he called his "board", on which he wrote random but interesting facts about every player. Anyone who heard him will recall, after a player had perhaps scored a particularly good try, how he would exclaim, "They'll be celebrating in the streets of Selkirk/Llanelli/Cork/Northampton, or at xyz grammar school." Good old days! Where 'Midlands Eagle' and I are of different opinions is that he has a preference for just one commentator whose primary role is to identify the player on the ball and "dispense with all the other drivel". I, on the other hand find the supplementary information provided useful and enlightening. I have not had an issue with a former footballer acting as co-commentator providing insight from a footballer's perspective. Edited by Willo (15 Jan 2021 6.30pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 6.09pm

Originally posted by JRW2

You say you disagree with Midlands, but you both agree that commentators don't need an assistant - "a sentiment with which I fully concur" (have to get the language right!). Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it but say that commentators already provide it. And you're right - I can't recall any "expert" ever telling us where someone was born or when he first scored a hat-trick.

Good old days!

Where 'Midlands Eagle' and I are of different opinions is that he has a preference for just one commentator whose primary role is to identify the player on the ball and "dispense with all the other drivel".
I, on the other hand find the supplementary information provided useful and enlightening.

I have not had an issue with a former footballer acting as co-commentator providing insight from a footballer's perspective.

Edited by Willo (15 Jan 2021 6.30pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 6.12pm
Originally posted by JRW2 You say you disagree with Midlands, but you both agree that commentators don't need an assistant - "a sentiment with which I fully concur" (have to get the language right!). Midlands doesn't want the added-on information at all, while you want it but say that commentators already provide it. And you're right - I can't recall any "expert" ever telling us where someone was born or when he first scored a hat-trick. I'm reminded of dear old Bill Maclaren, the rugby commentator, who for years - before "progress" took over - handled the whole match on his own. He had what he called his "board", on which he wrote random but interesting facts about every player. Anyone who heard him will recall, after a player had perhaps scored a particularly good try, how he would exclaim, "They'll be celebrating in the streets of Selkirk/Llanelli/Cork/Northampton, or at xyz grammar school." Good old days! This reminds me of the quip from Jeff Stelling "They will be dancing in the streets of 'Total Network Solutions' tonight"
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 6.12pm

Originally posted by JRW2

I'm reminded of dear old Bill Maclaren, the rugby commentator, who for years - before "progress" took over - handled the whole match on his own. He had what he called his "board", on which he wrote random but interesting facts about every player. Anyone who heard him will recall, after a player had perhaps scored a particularly good try, how he would exclaim, "They'll be celebrating in the streets of Selkirk/Llanelli/Cork/Northampton, or at xyz grammar school."

Good old days!

This reminds me of the quip from Jeff Stelling "They will be dancing in the streets of 'Total Network Solutions' tonight"

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JRW2 Dulwich 15 Jan 21 8.23pm
Originally posted by Willo Where 'Midlands Eagle' and I are of different opinions is that he has a preference for just one commentator whose primary role is to identify the player on the ball and "dispense with all the other drivel". I, on the other hand find the supplementary information provided useful and enlightening. I have not had an issue with a former footballer acting as co-commentator providing insight from a footballer's perspective. Edited by Willo (15 Jan 2021 6.30pm) And what I'm saying - and I thought (wrongly it seems) you were saying earlier - is that it's the "lead" commentator who provides the supplementary information, and he does that on his own. To repeat myself, I genuinely don't recall the "assistant" providing any of the background stuff. They aren't full-time, they don't feel any need to gen up on every player on the pitch beforehand, and all most of them can do is throw in a few observations that the average schoolboy footballer could make. I'm no expert, but I would hardly regard their contributions as providing insights.
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JRW2

Dulwich 15 Jan 21 8.23pm

Originally posted by Willo

Where 'Midlands Eagle' and I are of different opinions is that he has a preference for just one commentator whose primary role is to identify the player on the ball and "dispense with all the other drivel".
I, on the other hand find the supplementary information provided useful and enlightening.

I have not had an issue with a former footballer acting as co-commentator providing insight from a footballer's perspective.

Edited by Willo (15 Jan 2021 6.30pm)

And what I'm saying - and I thought (wrongly it seems) you were saying earlier - is that it's the "lead" commentator who provides the supplementary information, and he does that on his own. To repeat myself, I genuinely don't recall the "assistant" providing any of the background stuff. They aren't full-time, they don't feel any need to gen up on every player on the pitch beforehand, and all most of them can do is throw in a few observations that the average schoolboy footballer could make. I'm no expert, but I would hardly regard their contributions as providing insights.

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TheBigToePunt 15 Jan 21 8.26pm
Sky eh? Where do you start? 1. Either stuff your coverage full of advert breaks every three minutes, or charge me a pretty penny to tune in. Doing both is a piss take. 2. Your unique selling point for cricket was that your subscribers would 'never miss a ball'. Why then do you think it's OK to cut away from a football match when the ball is in play to show me a series of shots of a manager chewing gum, or a replay of something I just saw for myself, or a section of the crowd carefully chosen for its positive social cross section? Last night sky had to show a replay of Tompkins getting booked because we'd missed it live as sky were showing a replay at the time. Good job nothing important happened during the second replay really. I reckon I miss five minutes of actual football most games due to replays. 3. Patrice Evra. Please explain? 4. By all means have top female former players as pundits. Christ knows they can't do any worse than some of the men (see 3 above), but don't pretend and/or infer that when commenting on the male game they have the same or equivalent experience and potential insight as male former players. It's unnecessary and insults everyones intelligence. For one thing, when the two genders play the same sport they will inevitably interpret the space differently, resulting in notably different versions of the game in terms of physicality, tactics and approaches. For another, the social and economic context is incomparable. I'm as interested in the views of Alex Scott or Karen Kearney (or a well informed sports journalist) as any male former player, but don't ask them about the pressure of a big Premier league match, or the demands of the high tempo pressing game as they plainly haven't experienced either themselves. Give them a chance to tell me something they do know and I don't. 5. Call a dive a dive, a cheat a cheat. All the time you brush over it or use super slow motion replays to highlight some minor contact, and justify fit strong athletes throwing themselves to the floor the game will continue to be ruined. You're just protecting your precious product. And yes I include Palace players in that. 6. I might be able to agree to disagree on your ongoing support for BLM if you applied the same moral consideration to human rights abusing states funding football clubs, or the incessant, creepy, insidious promotion of gambling, or the role third world sweat shops play in producing football kit, boots, balls etc. All the time your moral, social and political stance is so closely aligned to what is commercially beneficial, it's difficult to conclude that you aren't just virtue signalling. 7. From personal experience, your customer service is genuinely appalling. Spend a bit less on pundits and a bit more responding reasonably when you've failed, yet again, to provide fair value for money. Rant over. Thanks. Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Jan 2021 8.32pm)
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TheBigToePunt

15 Jan 21 8.26pm

Sky eh? Where do you start?

1. Either stuff your coverage full of advert breaks every three minutes, or charge me a pretty penny to tune in. Doing both is a piss take.

2. Your unique selling point for cricket was that your subscribers would 'never miss a ball'. Why then do you think it's OK to cut away from a football match when the ball is in play to show me a series of shots of a manager chewing gum, or a replay of something I just saw for myself, or a section of the crowd carefully chosen for its positive social cross section? Last night sky had to show a replay of Tompkins getting booked because we'd missed it live as sky were showing a replay at the time. Good job nothing important happened during the second replay really. I reckon I miss five minutes of actual football most games due to replays.

3. Patrice Evra. Please explain?

4. By all means have top female former players as pundits. Christ knows they can't do any worse than some of the men (see 3 above), but don't pretend and/or infer that when commenting on the male game they have the same or equivalent experience and potential insight as male former players. It's unnecessary and insults everyones intelligence.

For one thing, when the two genders play the same sport they will inevitably interpret the space differently, resulting in notably different versions of the game in terms of physicality, tactics and approaches. For another, the social and economic context is incomparable. I'm as interested in the views of Alex Scott or Karen Kearney (or a well informed sports journalist) as any male former player, but don't ask them about the pressure of a big Premier league match, or the demands of the high tempo pressing game as they plainly haven't experienced either themselves. Give them a chance to tell me something they do know and I don't.

5. Call a dive a dive, a cheat a cheat. All the time you brush over it or use super slow motion replays to highlight some minor contact, and justify fit strong athletes throwing themselves to the floor the game will continue to be ruined. You're just protecting your precious product. And yes I include Palace players in that.

6. I might be able to agree to disagree on your ongoing support for BLM if you applied the same moral consideration to human rights abusing states funding football clubs, or the incessant, creepy, insidious promotion of gambling, or the role third world sweat shops play in producing football kit, boots, balls etc. All the time your moral, social and political stance is so closely aligned to what is commercially beneficial, it's difficult to conclude that you aren't just virtue signalling.

7. From personal experience, your customer service is genuinely appalling. Spend a bit less on pundits and a bit more responding reasonably when you've failed, yet again, to provide fair value for money.

Rant over. Thanks.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Jan 2021 8.32pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 8.50pm
Originally posted by JRW2 And what I'm saying - and I thought (wrongly it seems) you were saying earlier - is that it's the "lead" commentator who provides the supplementary information, and he does that on his own. To repeat myself, I genuinely don't recall the "assistant" providing any of the background stuff. They aren't full-time, they don't feel any need to gen up on every player on the pitch beforehand, and all most of them can do is throw in a few observations that the average schoolboy footballer could make. I'm no expert, but I would hardly regard their contributions as providing insights. We clearly differ about the contributions of the erstwhile professional footballers who are co-commentators. These are not "Average schoolboy footballers" they are players who have been there and done it on the 'Big stage', been in 'Pressure cookers' at a high level and their experiences show through in commentary in various match situations. Besides instead of hearing a single voice for 90+ minutes there are two voices and the interactions between the two can often contain jocularity to add to the match experience for the viewer.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 21 8.50pm

Originally posted by JRW2

We clearly differ about the contributions of the erstwhile professional footballers who are co-commentators.

These are not "Average schoolboy footballers" they are players who have been there and done it on the 'Big stage', been in 'Pressure cookers' at a high level and their experiences show through in commentary in various match situations.

Besides instead of hearing a single voice for 90+ minutes there are two voices and the interactions between the two can often contain jocularity to add to the match experience for the viewer.

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