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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 4.47pm
Originally posted by NEILLO I'm getting on in years, so my memory isn't as good as it was - who are the '' loads of 16 year old '' you are referring to ? And '' never here, certainly not recently '' - well which it it ? I haven't seen Atta play, but I'm interested in your opinion as you clearly have if you can guarantee that he can pass the ball better than some of our highly experienced first teamers. Highly experienced doesn't equate to any good. I've always considered McArthur as industrious but by no means a passer. Surely you see us play - do I have to go over our lack of creativity in midfield? It's not my rating of Atta that matters - he is rated. As for others, I didn't massively research the subject there are too many to fully list. From the past I was thinking obvious ones like Rooney, plus about twenty similar. Today, Greenwood, Foden, Hudson-Odoi, Brooks - there are maybe 50 who have played well at Premier League level over the last two seasons. Look at the Liverpool ones for instance. I guess we bought through AWB and made a hefty sum. What was he 18 or 19? And now Mitchell - around the same age, for balance. My point on a rated youngster is play him in a game and make sure he's signed up. He could flop, as you imply. He could be good and worth 50 mil. Basically, I'm not happy with the idea of us losing a highly rated youngster for peanuts, or even nothing. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 4.47pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

I'm getting on in years, so my memory isn't as good as it was - who are the '' loads of 16 year old '' you are referring to ?

And '' never here, certainly not recently '' - well which it it ?

I haven't seen Atta play, but I'm interested in your opinion as you clearly have if you can guarantee that he can pass the ball better than some of our highly experienced first teamers.

Highly experienced doesn't equate to any good. I've always considered McArthur as industrious but by no means a passer. Surely you see us play - do I have to go over our lack of creativity in midfield? It's not my rating of Atta that matters - he is rated.
As for others, I didn't massively research the subject there are too many to fully list. From the past I was thinking obvious ones like Rooney, plus about twenty similar. Today, Greenwood, Foden, Hudson-Odoi, Brooks - there are maybe 50 who have played well at Premier League level over the last two seasons. Look at the Liverpool ones for instance.
I guess we bought through AWB and made a hefty sum. What was he 18 or 19? And now Mitchell - around the same age, for balance.
My point on a rated youngster is play him in a game and make sure he's signed up. He could flop, as you imply. He could be good and worth 50 mil. Basically, I'm not happy with the idea of us losing a highly rated youngster for peanuts, or even nothing.

Red and Blue Army!

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Jan 21 5.15pm
Originally posted by doombear Looking at our squads, Atta isn't even in the U18s. Should he have been? No idea. Our U18s (and apparently the younger squads) are exciting prospects, We will inevitably lose some who either can't wait to progress or are star-struck by bigger clubs purportedly interested in them. Once we start seeing players from the U18s etc. progressing to the first team squad and staying there, more youngsters may be prepared to stay, but that is probably a couple of years or so down the line. We just have to hope we can retain our PL status until we see the fruit from the Academy investment. Touch and go imo. Hope Atta makes a good choice when he does leave. He wont be 'listed' per se in out squads, as he hasn't/wont sign a Development/Professional terms with the club. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Jan 21 5.15pm

Originally posted by doombear

Looking at our squads, Atta isn't even in the U18s. Should he have been? No idea. Our U18s (and apparently the younger squads) are exciting prospects, We will inevitably lose some who either can't wait to progress or are star-struck by bigger clubs purportedly interested in them.

Once we start seeing players from the U18s etc. progressing to the first team squad and staying there, more youngsters may be prepared to stay, but that is probably a couple of years or so down the line. We just have to hope we can retain our PL status until we see the fruit from the Academy investment. Touch and go imo. Hope Atta makes a good choice when he does leave.

He wont be 'listed' per se in out squads, as he hasn't/wont sign a Development/Professional terms with the club.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 5.20pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 He wont be 'listed' per se in out squads, as he hasn't/wont sign a Development/Professional terms with the club. It's an interesting point but my reading was that we signed him from Millwall. Surely, he is on some kind of terms? The other thing I'm wondering is, if we offered a contract - we will get a tribunal fee, or whatever the equivalent is today, if he signs for someone else? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 5.20pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

He wont be 'listed' per se in out squads, as he hasn't/wont sign a Development/Professional terms with the club.

It's an interesting point but my reading was that we signed him from Millwall. Surely, he is on some kind of terms?
The other thing I'm wondering is, if we offered a contract - we will get a tribunal fee, or whatever the equivalent is today, if he signs for someone else?

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Jan 21 5.55pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC It's an interesting point but my reading was that we signed him from Millwall. Surely, he is on some kind of terms? The other thing I'm wondering is, if we offered a contract - we will get a tribunal fee, or whatever the equivalent is today, if he signs for someone else? Good point, short answer, ive not got a bloody clue. I assume he is on a 'youth' contract that enabled us to get him from the knuckledraggers, i know he did feature a few times in the U18's pre Cat1 status. What happens now, is anyones guess. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Jan 21 5.55pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Good point, short answer, ive not got a bloody clue.

I assume he is on a 'youth' contract that enabled us to get him from the knuckledraggers, i know he did feature a few times in the U18's pre Cat1 status. What happens now, is anyones guess.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jan 21 7.54pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Highly experienced doesn't equate to any good. I've always considered McArthur as industrious but by no means a passer. Surely you see us play - do I have to go over our lack of creativity in midfield? It's not my rating of Atta that matters - he is rated. As for others, I didn't massively research the subject there are too many to fully list. From the past I was thinking obvious ones like Rooney, plus about twenty similar. Today, Greenwood, Foden, Hudson-Odoi, Brooks - there are maybe 50 who have played well at Premier League level over the last two seasons. Look at the Liverpool ones for instance. I guess we bought through AWB and made a hefty sum. What was he 18 or 19? And now Mitchell - around the same age, for balance. My point on a rated youngster is play him in a game and make sure he's signed up. He could flop, as you imply. He could be good and worth 50 mil. Basically, I'm not happy with the idea of us losing a highly rated youngster for peanuts, or even nothing. Yes, I do so see us play. Yes, we lack creativity in midfield. You are advocating playing an untried, if highly rated, 16 year old - who you '' guarantee '' can pass the ball better than experienced Premier League players, but have never actually seen play. Read that back and ask yourself exactly how much sense that makes. He hasn't even signed professional terms for Palace, yet you think he should be considered for first team. Yes, it's annoying that we stand to lose him, I imagine Millwall felt the same way when we signed him from them, but that's the game. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jan 21 7.54pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Yes, I do so see us play. Yes, we lack creativity in midfield. You are advocating playing an untried, if highly rated, 16 year old - who you '' guarantee '' can pass the ball better than experienced Premier League players, but have never actually seen play.

Read that back and ask yourself exactly how much sense that makes.

He hasn't even signed professional terms for Palace, yet you think he should be considered for first team.

Yes, it's annoying that we stand to lose him, I imagine Millwall felt the same way when we signed him from them, but that's the game.

Old, Ungifted and White

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 8.41pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Yes, I do so see us play. Yes, we lack creativity in midfield. You are advocating playing an untried, if highly rated, 16 year old - who you '' guarantee '' can pass the ball better than experienced Premier League players, but have never actually seen play. Read that back and ask yourself exactly how much sense that makes. He hasn't even signed professional terms for Palace, yet you think he should be considered for first team. Yes, it's annoying that we stand to lose him, I imagine Millwall felt the same way when we signed him from them, but that's the game. Fair enough. Probably academic anyway. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 8.41pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Read that back and ask yourself exactly how much sense that makes.

He hasn't even signed professional terms for Palace, yet you think he should be considered for first team.

Yes, it's annoying that we stand to lose him, I imagine Millwall felt the same way when we signed him from them, but that's the game.

Fair enough. Probably academic anyway.

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pompeyeagle Relocated to Shropshire 24 Jan 21 11.02pm
I’m sure every Premier League club has got a youngster, probably several, who are “destined for great things” as they say. As we all know the vast majority don’t make it. If he thinks he would be better off somewhere else we should just let him go. It’s not like we have a manager who likes to give youth a chance anyway.
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Relocated to Shropshire 24 Jan 21 11.02pm

I’m sure every Premier League club has got a youngster, probably several, who are “destined for great things” as they say. As we all know the vast majority don’t make it. If he thinks he would be better off somewhere else we should just let him go. It’s not like we have a manager who likes to give youth a chance anyway.

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crvenaeagle 25 Jan 21 4.02am
Been meaning to ask, does anybody know what the story is with Mandela Egbo? Similar kind of deal, young prospect "destined for great things" he decided against staying with us and moved to Germany as it offered a better career path but it doesn't seem it went well at all and he's now in the MLS.
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25 Jan 21 4.02am

Been meaning to ask, does anybody know what the story is with Mandela Egbo? Similar kind of deal, young prospect "destined for great things" he decided against staying with us and moved to Germany as it offered a better career path but it doesn't seem it went well at all and he's now in the MLS.

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dreamwaverider London 25 Jan 21 4.12am
Football really needs to take a look at this. We have spent millions on our academy and no doubt millions more running it. Yet we can’t lock youngsters in with a contract. So any real potential we find can just walk whenever they want. This system is a free funnel of players to the Super clubs. If A Super club wants someone like Zion they get him free. Not only will he see the big lights and money but for sure they bribe them to go. Bit like we did to Millwall.
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Football really needs to take a look at this. We have spent millions on our academy and no doubt millions more running it. Yet we can’t lock youngsters in with a contract. So any real potential we find can just walk whenever they want. This system is a free funnel of players to the Super clubs. If A Super club wants someone like Zion they get him free. Not only will he see the big lights and money but for sure they bribe them to go. Bit like we did to Millwall.

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crvenaeagle 25 Jan 21 6.26am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Football really needs to take a look at this. We have spent millions on our academy and no doubt millions more running it. Yet we can’t lock youngsters in with a contract. So any real potential we find can just walk whenever they want. This system is a free funnel of players to the Super clubs. If A Super club wants someone like Zion they get him free. Not only will he see the big lights and money but for sure they bribe them to go. Bit like we did to Millwall. And West Brom...
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25 Jan 21 6.26am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

And West Brom...

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Spiderman Horsham 25 Jan 21 7.10am
Originally posted by eagleman13 Good point, short answer, ive not got a bloody clue. I assume he is on a 'youth' contract that enabled us to get him from the knuckledraggers, i know he did feature a few times in the U18's pre Cat1 status. What happens now, is anyones guess. I have no idea about any contract but I believe he has accepted a scholarship from Palace. Not sure why we are, apparently, bound to pay Millwall money
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Horsham 25 Jan 21 7.10am

Originally posted by eagleman13

Good point, short answer, ive not got a bloody clue.

I assume he is on a 'youth' contract that enabled us to get him from the knuckledraggers, i know he did feature a few times in the U18's pre Cat1 status. What happens now, is anyones guess.

I have no idea about any contract but I believe he has accepted a scholarship from Palace. Not sure why we are, apparently, bound to pay Millwall money

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 25 Jan 21 7.30am
Originally posted by pompeyeagle I’m sure every Premier League club has got a youngster, probably several, who are “destined for great things” as they say. As we all know the vast majority don’t make it. If he thinks he would be better off somewhere else we should just let him go. It’s not like we have a manager who likes to give youth a chance anyway. Remember Kyle da Silva ? According to the Palace coaching staff, he was '' better than Victor Moses was at the same age ''....but unfortunately he couldn't maintain that progress...happens a lot as you said. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 25 Jan 21 7.30am

Originally posted by pompeyeagle

Remember Kyle da Silva ? According to the Palace coaching staff, he was '' better than Victor Moses was at the same age ''....but unfortunately he couldn't maintain that progress...happens a lot as you said.

Old, Ungifted and White

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