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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Aug 20 7.45pm
Originally posted by lefty27 Football isn’t ‘most businesses’ . Outside of football a wage to turnover ratio of more than 50% is unusual. There are though a few football clubs that have a lowing wages to turnover ratio, Spurs are 38%. And we all know who's responsible for that!
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Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Aug 20 7.45pm

Originally posted by lefty27

Football isn’t ‘most businesses’ .
Outside of football a wage to turnover ratio of more than 50% is unusual. There are though a few football clubs that have a lowing wages to turnover ratio, Spurs are 38%.

And we all know who's responsible for that!

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martin2412 Living The Dream 07 Aug 20 8.03pm
The major problem is the ownership. They always want to do everything on the cheap, and when the fans start to get a bit agitated Parish releases a CGI image of a stand or training ground so the sycophants can gush all over him again. If he really wanted the new stand built it would be under way by now.
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Living The Dream 07 Aug 20 8.03pm

The major problem is the ownership. They always want to do everything on the cheap, and when the fans start to get a bit agitated Parish releases a CGI image of a stand or training ground so the sycophants can gush all over him again.

If he really wanted the new stand built it would be under way by now.

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 07 Aug 20 8.30pm
Originally posted by RyWa It has nothing to do with stature and has everything to do with us trying to get a bargain all the time. We overspent when we first came up and our main survival tactic was usually spend aload of money in January and just about scrape survival. That tactic backfired on us as we were left with very little room to spend money in the following seasons due to FFP and our 75/25 wage to profit ratio. The club now seem to be doing the opposite by trying to low ball everyone, and i think we miss out because other teams offer more. We also wait too long, again its because we want a bargain and know that if we wait till the last day we might get a couple grand off, however it leaves us open to losing out due to other teams being willing to pay a few grand more in exchange for getting business done early. is the correct answer This was once a quality forum....
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vancouver/croydon 07 Aug 20 8.30pm

Originally posted by RyWa

It has nothing to do with stature and has everything to do with us trying to get a bargain all the time.
We overspent when we first came up and our main survival tactic was usually spend aload of money in January and just about scrape survival.

That tactic backfired on us as we were left with very little room to spend money in the following seasons due to FFP and our 75/25 wage to profit ratio.

The club now seem to be doing the opposite by trying to low ball everyone, and i think we miss out because other teams offer more.
We also wait too long, again its because we want a bargain and know that if we wait till the last day we might get a couple grand off, however it leaves us open to losing out due to other teams being willing to pay a few grand more in exchange for getting business done early.

is the correct answer

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slubglurge welling 07 Aug 20 8.45pm
There are only about 7 0r 8 clubs genuinely established in the Prem and sadly we will never be one of them. Bigger clubs than us have tried and failed but have always been one bad decision away from the drop. So far we have managed to not make one yet but when it happens we will go down
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welling 07 Aug 20 8.45pm

There are only about 7 0r 8 clubs genuinely established in the Prem and sadly we will never be one of them. Bigger clubs than us have tried and failed but have always been one bad decision away from the drop. So far we have managed to not make one yet but when it happens we will go down

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Putitout Oxford 07 Aug 20 8.46pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Let's not argue over the definition of established. It's pretty clear from the OP that what he is looking for is reasons why, after an extended period in the PL, we have not grown as a club. This topic has been discussed many times before and its not an easy one to answer. As others have pointed out, it's not just staying in the PL that is an indicator of growth, I would argue that in 7 years we should by now, have better training/academy facilities sorted, a proper scouting network that brings in players who we can turn at a profit and most importantly we should be a lot further down the road with the ground improvements. I appreciate that some of these matters are being attended to albeit slowly, however we are still not the attraction we should be given we are the only PL team in South London. We should have schools and colleges on a short leash for talent in the south London Boroughs, Kent and East Surrey but we inevitably lose out as many turn us down, probably because they consider us unfashionable. OK so why haven’t we grown wealthier and better set up in facilities In order to gain respect as a performer in the Premier league .? Well in all my years of supporting Palace in every division , that question has raised its head . Minus the Premier bit time and time again . The potential of Palace was as Malcom Allison, once saw it ,as great as Liverpool’s with our catchment area. That could be argued about , but in that period alone 50,000 crowds were still possible . How come nobody has ever invested in that sort of potential? They have never really completely reached that potential , so the mystery goes on. But surely the reasons must go beyond the lack of owner. ambition to reach that potential. Why . Maybe the OP could have said why are we not establishment in football terms. If he had maybe the answer would be because the establishment in football makes sure it’s not meant to be joined. Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 10.39pm)
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Oxford 07 Aug 20 8.46pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Let's not argue over the definition of established. It's pretty clear from the OP that what he is looking for is reasons why, after an extended period in the PL, we have not grown as a club. This topic has been discussed many times before and its not an easy one to answer.

As others have pointed out, it's not just staying in the PL that is an indicator of growth, I would argue that in 7 years we should by now, have better training/academy facilities sorted, a proper scouting network that brings in players who we can turn at a profit and most importantly we should be a lot further down the road with the ground improvements.

I appreciate that some of these matters are being attended to albeit slowly, however we are still not the attraction we should be given we are the only PL team in South London. We should have schools and colleges on a short leash for talent in the south London Boroughs, Kent and East Surrey but we inevitably lose out as many turn us down, probably because they consider us unfashionable.

OK so why haven’t we grown wealthier and better set up in facilities
In order to gain respect as a performer in the Premier league .? Well in all my years of supporting Palace in every division , that question has raised its head . Minus the Premier bit time and time again . The potential of Palace was as Malcom Allison, once saw it ,as great as Liverpool’s with our catchment area. That could be argued about , but in that period alone 50,000 crowds were still possible . How come nobody has ever invested in that sort of potential?
They have never really completely reached that potential , so the mystery goes on. But surely the reasons must go beyond the lack of owner. ambition to reach that potential. Why . Maybe the OP could have said why are we not establishment in football terms.
If he had maybe the answer would be because the establishment in football makes sure it’s not meant to be joined.

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bicycle repair man 07 Aug 20 9.36pm
But we are an established Premier League club. For the past seven seasons we've finished in a comfortable position, well clear of the relegation zone, I don't know how anyone could say we aren't.
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But we are an established Premier League club.
For the past seven seasons we've finished in a comfortable position, well clear of the relegation zone, I don't know how anyone could say we aren't.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Aug 20 10.29pm
Originally posted by bicycle repair man But we are an established Premier League club. For the past seven seasons we've finished in a comfortable position, well clear of the relegation zone, I don't know how anyone could say we aren't. Completely concur with this. However, I think that the average fan has the attention span of a goldfish. We are a club that had been financially mismanaged for several decades before 2010. We owned nothing when Parish & co saved us. Admittedly, they were not ownership savvy. But we reached the Premier League and stayed there. The whingers seem to think that Rome can be built in a day. We are in a far better place than we financially should be. Put up with it for now, improvements take time and cost money. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by bicycle repair man

But we are an established Premier League club.
For the past seven seasons we've finished in a comfortable position, well clear of the relegation zone, I don't know how anyone could say we aren't.

Completely concur with this.

However, I think that the average fan has the attention span of a goldfish. We are a club that had been financially mismanaged for several decades before 2010. We owned nothing when Parish & co saved us. Admittedly, they were not ownership savvy. But we reached the Premier League and stayed there. The whingers seem to think that Rome can be built in a day. We are in a far better place than we financially should be. Put up with it for now, improvements take time and cost money.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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palace chick South Croydon 07 Aug 20 10.52pm
Originally posted by bicycle repair man But we are an established Premier League club. For the past seven seasons we've finished in a comfortable position, well clear of the relegation zone, I don't know how anyone could say we aren't. Can’t argue with that - I do think with present manager and squad we are in for our hardest season and may not stay up this time? Other than a cup final appearance at the beginning of this tenure we don’t have much to show for our stay. I do wish we had got some (at least one) silverware to remember this time spent :-( Perhaps we will sell and buy players to prove me wrong and Hodgson and Lewington work miracles again but at this time I’m not looking forward to September as I fear the end is near :-(
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South Croydon 07 Aug 20 10.52pm

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

But we are an established Premier League club.
For the past seven seasons we've finished in a comfortable position, well clear of the relegation zone, I don't know how anyone could say we aren't.

Can’t argue with that - I do think with present manager and squad we are in for our hardest season and may not stay up this time? Other than a cup final appearance at the beginning of this tenure we don’t have much to show for our stay. I do wish we had got some (at least one) silverware to remember this time spent :-( Perhaps we will sell and buy players to prove me wrong and Hodgson and Lewington work miracles again but at this time I’m not looking forward to September as I fear the end is near :-(

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BlueJay UK 07 Aug 20 10.57pm
Management and playing style. Roy isn't exactly experimental, so I can't see much changing for now. Credit where credit's due though, he's keeping us up.
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Management and playing style. Roy isn't exactly experimental, so I can't see much changing for now. Credit where credit's due though, he's keeping us up.

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Putitout Oxford 07 Aug 20 10.57pm
There seems to be some confusion here . Are we an established Premier club? Yes we are an established Premier club, every time we don’t get relegated.. But are we respected as a Premier club, even by some of our own support it seems ? No. Is the answer for some. Two different questions being treated as one. Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 11.04pm)
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Oxford 07 Aug 20 10.57pm

There seems to be some confusion here . Are we an established Premier club? Yes we are an established Premier club, every time we don’t get relegated..
But are we respected as a Premier club, even by some of our own support it seems ? No. Is the answer for some. Two different questions being treated as one.

Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 11.04pm)

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syd snot munich 08 Aug 20 1.39am
Because we're cheap. We refuse to come close to a valuation for a good player. We refuse to let a player leave when we can get top money for him. Because none of our players can actually pass a ball to another bloke in red and blue stripes. Because we cannot get a stadium sorted. Because we are Crystal Palace FC.
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munich 08 Aug 20 1.39am

Because we're cheap.
We refuse to come close to a valuation for a good player.
We refuse to let a player leave when we can get top money for him.
Because none of our players can actually pass a ball to another bloke in red and blue stripes.

Because we cannot get a stadium sorted.
Because we are Crystal Palace FC.

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CT Charlie 08 Aug 20 1.49am
My countrymen owners aren't known for their generosity, and I don't think our scouting has been top quality. It's a shame our facilities are so creaky because our match day fan support is first-rate. As a point of perspective, however, our current run of years in the PL has only been matched by 9 other clubs.
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08 Aug 20 1.49am

My countrymen owners aren't known for their generosity, and I don't think our scouting has been top quality. It's a shame our facilities are so creaky because our match day fan support is first-rate.

As a point of perspective, however, our current run of years in the PL has only been matched by 9 other clubs.

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