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NICK THE EAGLE Flag Coulsdon 08 Nov 16 3.10pm Send a Private Message to NICK THE EAGLE Add NICK THE EAGLE as a friend

Good afternoon

What have I stumbled on here. I have been a member on
HOL for many years. I have never seen such a pleasant thread of people sharing nice thoughts and answers with each other.
I have never ventured into the Nostalgia page before, but I will do more. Such a nice change without someone pointing out a spelling mistake or correcting them on a point.

Thanks again everyone.

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 09 Nov 16 3.20pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by NICK THE EAGLE

Good afternoon

What have I stumbled on here. I have been a member on
HOL for many years. I have never seen such a pleasant thread of people sharing nice thoughts and answers with each other.
I have never ventured into the Nostalgia page before, but I will do more. Such a nice change without someone pointing out a spelling mistake or correcting them on a point.

Thanks again everyone.

No spelling mistakes?! What do you mean by that? How dare you come on here and patronise us over 50s - what an ego, yes that's what I wrote, what an ego ... you used the first person singular 5 times in your post but you're probably the type that's too lazy to count or worse you refer to yourself in the third person, it'll be Nick the Eagle went to a match over yen years ago and that makes me a veteran, well let me tell you sunshine etc ... anyway, Mark Lindsay is the first black player I remember, no mention of Henry Houghton any more after he sheared Gerry Ryan's leg in two ... on a more serious note during the Coppell era we were perhaps the only side in the country to have more black than white players in our first XI, and this won us quite a few black supporters ... things have changed with the playing side but there is still some way to go as far as managers are concerned AND FANS - I think a lot of people who aren't ethnically Caucasian still find the atmosphere more than a tad too tribal at many grounds, but though Selhurst is pretty raucous these days it isn't intimidating in an unhealthy way. I don't want to get inappropriately serious but I wonder if our crowds are as representative of South London as the team usually is.

 

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DocSavage1 Flag Brackley 04 Dec 16 7.41pm Send a Private Message to DocSavage1 Add DocSavage1 as a friend

well so much for that then

 

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DocSavage1 Flag Brackley 16 Jan 17 5.40pm Send a Private Message to DocSavage1 Add DocSavage1 as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

early 70s Mark Lindsay

lovely man terrific player

 

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DocSavage1 Flag Brackley 16 Jan 17 5.42pm Send a Private Message to DocSavage1 Add DocSavage1 as a friend

reminded me of the zds cup final when evertons fans sang "everton are white" to a resounding retort of "palace are black, palace are black" in response

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

No spelling mistakes?! What do you mean by that? How dare you come on here and patronise us over 50s - what an ego, yes that's what I wrote, what an ego ... you used the first person singular 5 times in your post but you're probably the type that's too lazy to count or worse you refer to yourself in the third person, it'll be Nick the Eagle went to a match over yen years ago and that makes me a veteran, well let me tell you sunshine etc ... anyway, Mark Lindsay is the first black player I remember, no mention of Henry Houghton any more after he sheared Gerry Ryan's leg in two ... on a more serious note during the Coppell era we were perhaps the only side in the country to have more black than white players in our first XI, and this won us quite a few black supporters ... things have changed with the playing side but there is still some way to go as far as managers are concerned AND FANS - I think a lot of people who aren't ethnically Caucasian still find the atmosphere more than a tad too tribal at many grounds, but though Selhurst is pretty raucous these days it isn't intimidating in an unhealthy way. I don't want to get inappropriately serious but I wonder if our crowds are as representative of South London as the team usually is.

 

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dg1937 Flag 06 Sep 20 9.59pm Send a Private Message to dg1937 Add dg1937 as a friend

I started this thread four years ago and thought I'd share a recent 'conversation' with Tony Collins our first black player. Tony is in good health at 94 and was happy to answer questions that I put to him through his daughter, Sarita.

I asked him what he remembered about playing alongside Johnny Byrne. His daughter responded:

"Fitness was a key element of strategy at Crystal Palace and the squad were often sent off on some long cross country runs. This generated a certain level of banter amongst the participants with the younger lads often making some rude remarks about the stamina of the older players. Tony would regularly team up with one of them and the pair would ‘take on’ the younger lads, particularly the very talented 17 year old Jonny Byrne, by getting out in front, slowing down for a taunting catch-up and then speeding up again. Johnny would often remark about Tony’s physical stamina with quips such as “You’re not human mate!”

The past four years have been spent researching a book "Football's Black Pioneers", just published. Tony appears as the first black player at Watford and Norwich as well as Palace. He also became the first black manager in the Football League when he took over at Rochdale in 1960. There is more about Tony at [Link] if you are interested.

A couple of people on here were very helpful in identifying Tony as our first black player - thank you.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 21 11.45am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

I watched Tony Collins many times in my early Palace supporting days but had no idea of his subsequent career. I just remember a tricky, wholehearted winger in a great team to watch.

It seems he died earlier this year, so RIP our first black player. He started quite a trend didn't he?

The BBC have published this on him today. It's interesting reading:-

[Link]

 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 01 Nov 21 5.46pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

I saw Tony play many times, and I have a memory that his nickname was "Chopper". Is that a figment of my imagination? (No, I'm not mixing him up with Bert Howe.)

 

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eagle52 Flag Shirley,Croydon 29 Nov 21 8.45pm Send a Private Message to eagle52 Add eagle52 as a friend

I seem to think the Chopper of that era was Roy “Chopper”Greenwood, and would have been in the team at the same time as Tony. They both left at the end of the 1959 season.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 29 Nov 21 9.04pm

Originally posted by dg1937

I started this thread four years ago and thought I'd share a recent 'conversation' with Tony Collins our first black player. Tony is in good health at 94 and was happy to answer questions that I put to him through his daughter, Sarita.

I asked him what he remembered about playing alongside Johnny Byrne. His daughter responded:

"Fitness was a key element of strategy at Crystal Palace and the squad were often sent off on some long cross country runs. This generated a certain level of banter amongst the participants with the younger lads often making some rude remarks about the stamina of the older players. Tony would regularly team up with one of them and the pair would ‘take on’ the younger lads, particularly the very talented 17 year old Jonny Byrne, by getting out in front, slowing down for a taunting catch-up and then speeding up again. Johnny would often remark about Tony’s physical stamina with quips such as “You’re not human mate!”

The past four years have been spent researching a book "Football's Black Pioneers", just published. Tony appears as the first black player at Watford and Norwich as well as Palace. He also became the first black manager in the Football League when he took over at Rochdale in 1960. There is more about Tony at [Link] if you are interested.

A couple of people on here were very helpful in identifying Tony as our first black player - thank you.

Only just spotted this. Wonderful stuff. Thanks for bringing us this update. Made me smile.

 

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