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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 16 6.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Oh christ. Arguing about definitions again instead of the topic. We all know what we mean when we talk about the liberal left even if that description upsets the pedants and purists and is somewhat inadequate. This is not about party politics, it is about an attitude that is pervasive and apparent in all self interested parties who wish to use moral fascism to control us for their own ends. Something not specific to the liberal or the left. Just poor media, hyperbole jouralism, jingo tabloids and the idiocracy of a banality loving ignorance "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 16 6.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Oh christ. Arguing about definitions again instead of the topic.

We all know what we mean when we talk about the liberal left even if that description upsets the pedants and purists and is somewhat inadequate.

This is not about party politics, it is about an attitude that is pervasive and apparent in all self interested parties who wish to use moral fascism to control us for their own ends.

Something not specific to the liberal or the left. Just poor media, hyperbole jouralism, jingo tabloids and the idiocracy of a banality loving ignorance

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 22 Sep 16 6.11pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 ..yes, but, in hard reality, they haven't 'ruled' Britain, which is what the headline says. It is the right wing/capitalists that have since the late 1970's. Pressure groups, lobbyists, moral outrage nutters, etc: They have had influence but never actually led via a political party. They may have had decisions made in their favour. That's it. If you have your opinions implemented it's a bit moot. Their opinions 'rule', they themselves were never set up to 'rule' a country as a group but to change the opinions of those who rule....pretty much it seems by any means necessary. They are rapidly going out of fashion and the alt right are the new fashionable lot coming along. Led by a nutty American presidential candidate and a gay media opportunist (Milo Yiannopoulos).....Though old Boris has been doing alt right for years. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Sep 16 6.11pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

..yes, but, in hard reality, they haven't 'ruled' Britain, which is what the headline says. It is the right wing/capitalists that have since the late 1970's.

Pressure groups, lobbyists, moral outrage nutters, etc: They have had influence but never actually led via a political party. They may have had decisions made in their favour. That's it.

If you have your opinions implemented it's a bit moot.

Their opinions 'rule', they themselves were never set up to 'rule' a country as a group but to change the opinions of those who rule....pretty much it seems by any means necessary.

They are rapidly going out of fashion and the alt right are the new fashionable lot coming along.

Led by a nutty American presidential candidate and a gay media opportunist (Milo Yiannopoulos).....Though old Boris has been doing alt right for years.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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on me shed son Krakow 22 Sep 16 7.54pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Well we don't have education policy lead by those who have expertise in that field, but we do from those with s***e opinions about edumacation. That's why government shouldn't be in charge of such things.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Well we don't have education policy lead by those who have expertise in that field, but we do from those with s***e opinions about edumacation.

That's why government shouldn't be in charge of such things.

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Kermit8 Hevon 22 Sep 16 7.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you have your opinions implemented it's a bit moot. Their opinions 'rule', they themselves were never set up to 'rule' a country as a group but to change the opinions of those who rule....pretty much it seems by any means necessary. They are rapidly going out of fashion and the alt right are the new fashionable lot coming along. Led by a nutty American presidential candidate and a gay media opportunist (Milo Yiannopoulos).....Though old Boris has been doing alt right for years. All a bit paranoid if you ask me this disingenuous idea that somehow the liberal left are in charge. It's also total and absolute bollocks. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 22 Sep 16 7.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you have your opinions implemented it's a bit moot.

Their opinions 'rule', they themselves were never set up to 'rule' a country as a group but to change the opinions of those who rule....pretty much it seems by any means necessary.

They are rapidly going out of fashion and the alt right are the new fashionable lot coming along.

Led by a nutty American presidential candidate and a gay media opportunist (Milo Yiannopoulos).....Though old Boris has been doing alt right for years.

All a bit paranoid if you ask me this disingenuous idea that somehow the liberal left are in charge. It's also total and absolute bollocks.

Big chest and massive boobs

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the.universal 22 Sep 16 8.16pm
Originally posted by on me shed son That's why government shouldn't be in charge of such things. But they should be in charge of banning bandanas, immediately Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 22 Sep 16 8.16pm

Originally posted by on me shed son

That's why government shouldn't be in charge of such things.

But they should be in charge of banning bandanas, immediately

Vive le Roy!

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 22 Sep 16 8.48pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 All a bit paranoid if you ask me this disingenuous idea that somehow the liberal left are in charge. It's also total and absolute bollocks. Smoke & mirrors. Anyone who can regard Blair as "left" hasn't got a political clue. Last time I checked, we'd had a the liberal right in charge for the last 7 years. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 22 Sep 16 8.48pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

All a bit paranoid if you ask me this disingenuous idea that somehow the liberal left are in charge. It's also total and absolute bollocks.

Smoke & mirrors. Anyone who can regard Blair as "left" hasn't got a political clue.

Last time I checked, we'd had a the liberal right in charge for the last 7 years.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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matt_himself Matataland 22 Sep 16 10.13pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 All a bit paranoid if you ask me this disingenuous idea that somehow the liberal left are in charge. It's also total and absolute bollocks. It is probably fairer to say that an urban, left leaning elite have been shaping social policy in this country for nigh on two decades. Most of what they have forced upon British society, through legislation, law and the media, was not a 'grassroots' consensus (overbearing political correctness being the shining example). People like Blair, Brown, Straw, Burnham, Toynbee and Corbyn are culturally, politically and socially adrift by miles from the man in the Rochdale, Oldham, Portsmouth or Middlesbrough street, yet keep pursuing their social agenda on behalf of the mythical 'working class'. This is why this establish got walloped on June 23rd and will get walloped in the next General Election & beyond. And it is a beautiful thing to see. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 22 Sep 16 10.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

All a bit paranoid if you ask me this disingenuous idea that somehow the liberal left are in charge. It's also total and absolute bollocks.

It is probably fairer to say that an urban, left leaning elite have been shaping social policy in this country for nigh on two decades. Most of what they have forced upon British society, through legislation, law and the media, was not a 'grassroots' consensus (overbearing political correctness being the shining example). People like Blair, Brown, Straw, Burnham, Toynbee and Corbyn are culturally, politically and socially adrift by miles from the man in the Rochdale, Oldham, Portsmouth or Middlesbrough street, yet keep pursuing their social agenda on behalf of the mythical 'working class'.

This is why this establish got walloped on June 23rd and will get walloped in the next General Election & beyond. And it is a beautiful thing to see.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 22 Sep 16 10.18pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Smoke & mirrors. Anyone who can regard Blair as "left" hasn't got a political clue. Last time I checked, we'd had a the liberal right in charge for the last 7 years. I believe that Blair was socially centre left. Economically centre right. His government passed a number of socially leftish bills that no Tory government at the time would have considered, such as adopting the Human Rights Bill, Civil Partnership legislation, equalising the age of consent, aspects of the 2002 Employment Act and allowing unmarried couples to adopt. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 22 Sep 16 10.18pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Smoke & mirrors. Anyone who can regard Blair as "left" hasn't got a political clue.

Last time I checked, we'd had a the liberal right in charge for the last 7 years.

I believe that Blair was socially centre left. Economically centre right.

His government passed a number of socially leftish bills that no Tory government at the time would have considered, such as adopting the Human Rights Bill, Civil Partnership legislation, equalising the age of consent, aspects of the 2002 Employment Act and allowing unmarried couples to adopt.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Sep 16 7.23am
You can debate whether Blair was left or right but one thing is for sure: there will be no left wing or centre left party in government for a long, long time. Edited by Penge Eagle (23 Sep 2016 7.24am)
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Beckenham 23 Sep 16 7.23am

You can debate whether Blair was left or right but one thing is for sure: there will be no left wing or centre left party in government for a long, long time.

Edited by Penge Eagle (23 Sep 2016 7.24am)

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Rubin 23 Sep 16 8.47am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Oh come on Jamie, surely you are pretending to not know what this refers to. It's not the old party-centric nature of whose in power now. It's the cultural liberalization of PC culture, political feminism, the body positivity movement and all other manifestations of the cultural liberalised left. Cameron himself....under the guise of modernization pushed his party into this straight jacket...The leadership embraced it but the party core never have...It's mostly to satisfy and sate the media who...love all these new ideological weapons as it gives them tools for sensationalism and to produce mock horror in their rags. In reality all that emerges from this is attempts at censorship. Thought policing....I still haven't got over that university guy being sacked over stating his opinion about women in labs at a private dinner. People are scared to have 'unfashionable' opinions now in case some section of society are offended. These attitudes have infected all parties over the last few decades and with the emerging of the alt right and Ukip there is at least a definable movement that is sticking two fingers at this cultural thought policing. Great post. Can be summed up by the term 'political correctness'.
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23 Sep 16 8.47am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh come on Jamie, surely you are pretending to not know what this refers to.

It's not the old party-centric nature of whose in power now. It's the cultural liberalization of PC culture, political feminism, the body positivity movement and all other manifestations of the cultural liberalised left.

Cameron himself....under the guise of modernization pushed his party into this straight jacket...The leadership embraced it but the party core never have...It's mostly to satisfy and sate the media who...love all these new ideological weapons as it gives them tools for sensationalism and to produce mock horror in their rags.

In reality all that emerges from this is attempts at censorship. Thought policing....I still haven't got over that university guy being sacked over stating his opinion about women in labs at a private dinner. People are scared to have 'unfashionable' opinions now in case some section of society are offended.

These attitudes have infected all parties over the last few decades and with the emerging of the alt right and Ukip there is at least a definable movement that is sticking two fingers at this cultural thought policing.

Great post. Can be summed up by the term 'political correctness'.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 23 Sep 16 10.37am
May's "radical conservatism" my eye. She's as Blairite as the rest of 'em. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 23 Sep 16 10.37am

May's "radical conservatism" my eye. She's as Blairite as the rest of 'em.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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Hoof Hearted 23 Sep 16 10.46am
Originally posted by the.universal But they should be in charge of banning bandanas, immediately FFS... don't you start.... he needs no encouragement.... I've just got him to start debating sensibly!
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Hoof Hearted 23 Sep 16 10.46am

Originally posted by the.universal

But they should be in charge of banning bandanas, immediately

FFS... don't you start.... he needs no encouragement.... I've just got him to start debating sensibly!

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