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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 09 Sep 16 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by rikz
Is every black youngster going to rob you, no, are most street robberies committed by black youths, yes. Want to prevent your chance of either happening, don't go walking through a council estate with a load of black youths hanging about on a street corner also don't take sweets from a white middle aged man. Is this racist, who cares aslong as it decreases the chances of either happening. Ridiculas response, surely it depends on what sweets are on offer
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paperhat croydon 09 Sep 16 3.31pm | |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
Ridiculas response, surely it depends on what sweets are on offer has he got any puppies?
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Sep 16 3.34pm | |
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Racism is a legal term made up primarily to protect minorities from persecution. It has also of course become a self serving phrase to excuse all number of misdemeanors and promote minority objectives. Accepting it's inaccuracy. Making a statement of fact cannot ever be "racist" and ignoring reality for political purposes is just plain stupid. That is the world we live in. Minority rights seem more important than the majority and the truth is suppressed for political reasons.
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snytaxx London 09 Sep 16 3.34pm | |
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Yes this is racist - thats an easy question. The real question should be "why would the Chinese think and write this?". Calling someone a racist in China, although a big deal, doesn't really hold the same meaning or gravity as it does in the West. While many in the West will happily dish out the phrase 'you're a racist' to anyone who dares to disagree with practically any left wing view on immigration and multiculturalism, in China, calling someone a racist is quite a rare thing to happen. Although obviously a bad thing to be associated with, it's bad for other reasons and so the ways it's used is different. Speak to any Chinese person living in the West and they will tell you they have long been the victims of racism, they'd be right, Chinese and other Asian groups have in the past been exploited, colonised, degraded and treated badly by other groups of people. When encountering racism in Western countries, most Chinese people will just think "oh what a complete idiot that person / organisation is - they clearly need more education". Unlike a westerner who'd probably feel the need to contact their local newspaper / MP and whinge about the whole issue on social media. Couple the idea of 'racism is bad but i'll get over it' with how forthright many Chinese people are and just how susceptible they are what they see on the media and through in some ignorance plus the fact that China is a 'non-immigration country' and you have a perfect recipe for what many people in the West would regard as racism. When in reality, well educated Chinese people would just say, the statement that 'Indian, pakistani and Black areas are dangerous is probably inaccurate. This information should be changed to make it more accurate' A clear example of this can be found in this advert released here in China a few months ago: When this advert was launched, literally none of the media outlets, nor Chinese social media gave a damn. Every Chinese person I showed this to just said 'it's a silly advert, this washing tablet clearly won't be able to make someones racial ethnicity change'. It wasn't until the Western media and the likes of twitter and Facebook caught on, and the company started receiving floods of angry messages from people outside of China saying how terribly racist the advert was that the company withdrew it and gave a really half-arsed apology which essentially was implying Westerners should 'get over themselves'. So yes, to answer some questions, 'The Wings of China' magazine did say something quite racist. Chinese people probably know it's racist, and no. They probably don't awfully care as there are lots of places in London with high black populations which are dangerous (not because the people are black, but because black people proportionally are more likely to be living closer to the poverty line, and poor areas tend to be more dangerous). So most Chinese tourists don't care that the advice is wrong on a technicality, as long as it's trying to help people avoid the less safer areas of London. Thanks for reading! Edited by snytaxx (09 Sep 2016 3.59pm)
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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 16 4.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace Hero
It is racist, by definition. However, the context of what is being said, about whom, and who holds the power in such a scenario is stripped away if we look at things from a purely 'black and white' (no pun intended) perspective. Edited by Palace Hero (09 Sep 2016 6.49am) 'Who holds the power?'. I'm white, do I hold power then? Is racism directed at me less racist because I'm white?.....Because people who share my skin colour hold power? Isn't the logic of this racist itself? What about black people who 'hold power'. Are they subject to this nonsense? Do they get a pass because of their skin colour? Isn't this all nonsense? I'm not having a go at you by the way I'm just riffing with this concept. Surely the right and wrong of a situation should have zero connection to a person's skin colour. Something is either racist or not racist and perceived status is an excuse for people to dodge responsibility. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2016 4.28pm)
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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 16 4.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
To be honest there's plenty of 'white ' areas I wouldn't want to walk through at night or on my own as a white person let alone a tourist as this article is aimed at Seconded.
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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 16 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Racism is a legal term made up primarily to protect minorities from persecution. It has also of course become a self serving phrase to excuse all number of misdemeanors and promote minority objectives. Accepting it's inaccuracy. Making a statement of fact cannot ever be "racist" and ignoring reality for political purposes is just plain stupid. That is the world we live in. Minority rights seem more important than the majority and the truth is suppressed for political reasons. Yep, seconded.....we have a lot of sensible people on general talk. It's a shame I don't get to spend the time I once did on here.
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rikz Croydon 09 Sep 16 4.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Seconded. In London ?
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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 16 4.24pm | |
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Originally posted by snytaxx
Yes this is racist - thats an easy question. The real question should be "why would the Chinese think and write this?". Calling someone a racist in China, although a big deal, doesn't really hold the same meaning or gravity as it does in the West. While many in the West will happily dish out the phrase 'you're a racist' to anyone who dares to disagree with practically any left wing view on immigration and multiculturalism, in China, calling someone a racist is quite a rare thing to happen. Although obviously a bad thing to be associated with, it's bad for other reasons and so the ways it's used is different. Speak to any Chinese person living in the West and they will tell you they have long been the victims of racism, they'd be right, Chinese and other Asian groups have in the past been exploited, colonised, degraded and treated badly by other groups of people. When encountering racism in Western countries, most Chinese people will just think "oh what a complete idiot that person / organisation is - they clearly need more education". Unlike a westerner who'd probably feel the need to contact their local newspaper / MP and whinge about the whole issue on social media. Couple the idea of 'racism is bad but i'll get over it' with how forthright many Chinese people are and just how susceptible they are what they see on the media and through in some ignorance plus the fact that China is a 'non-immigration country' and you have a perfect recipe for what many people in the West would regard as racism. When in reality, well educated Chinese people would just say, the statement that 'Indian, pakistani and Black areas are dangerous is probably inaccurate. This information should be changed to make it more accurate' A clear example of this can be found in this advert released here in China a few months ago: When this advert was launched, literally none of the media outlets, nor Chinese social media gave a damn. Every Chinese person I showed this to just said 'it's a silly advert, this washing tablet clearly won't be able to make someones racial ethnicity change'. It wasn't until the Western media and the likes of twitter and Facebook caught on, and the company started receiving floods of angry messages from people outside of China saying how terribly racist the advert was that the company withdrew it and gave a really half-arsed apology which essentially was implying Westerners should 'get over themselves'. So yes, to answer some questions, 'The Wings of China' magazine did say something quite racist. Chinese people probably know it's racist, and no. They probably don't awfully care as there are lots of places in London with high black populations which are dangerous (not because the people are black, but because black people proportionally are more likely to be living closer to the poverty line, and poor areas tend to be more dangerous). So most Chinese tourists don't care that the advice is wrong on a technicality, as long as it's trying to help people avoid the less safer areas of London. Thanks for reading! Edited by snytaxx (09 Sep 2016 3.59pm) An interesting and well written post.
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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 16 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by rikz
In London ? I haven't lived regularly in London since the late eighties. For me I was thinking more about rural city centres at night in the Fens around the old pub chucking out time.
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Part Time James 09 Sep 16 4.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
An interesting and well written post. Agreed. The longest post I've ever bothered to read from beginning to end and it was worth it.
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snytaxx London 09 Sep 16 4.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Agreed. The longest post I've ever bothered to read from beginning to end and it was worth it. I have plenty more on any China related questions if you or anyone else cares. I've lived in China for close to 3 years now studying Mandarin and spreading the gospel of 'Shui Jing Gong' (The Palace)! Edited by snytaxx (09 Sep 2016 4.37pm)
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