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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 16 8.10am | |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
1) I haven't really gone into details but think it should be education based and then jobs based. So a combination. We don't need low skilled workers so see no reason why they should be allowed in freely to live. 2) Bit of an immature point as there is a difference between seeking asylum and emigrating and you know that. Last time I checked Romania and Poland weren't war zones. 3) Its not down to us to be responsible for integrating them. It's down to them to integrate. If I moved to Spain I would learn the language, make Spanish friends etc. I think the points system would indirectly help this as professionals are noticeably more integrated than low skilled workers. Edited by cardiff eagle (06 Jun 2016 8.04am) You're advocating something you don't fully understand? Did you know migration into Oz has gone up under the points system? Now I'm not saying I have the answers, but I'm sure I'd integrate better if people were less hostile towards me.Yes it is better if you can speak the language. Being encouraged to immerse oneself into a culture would speed things up.
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cardiff eagle 06 Jun 16 8.50am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You're advocating something you don't fully understand? Did you know migration into Oz has gone up under the points system? Now I'm not saying I have the answers, but I'm sure I'd integrate better if people were less hostile towards me.Yes it is better if you can speak the language. Being encouraged to immerse oneself into a culture would speed things up. You don't have to fully understand how something would work to form an opinion that it is better than what we currently have in place. The Oz example isn't a fair comparison because they weren't in a free movement block before implementing it. I think we all know beyond any form of doubt that leaving the EU and implementing a points system would reduce migration from the level it is at today. When moving to another country, it's not the other countries job to integrate you. It's your job to integrate. Speaking the language and hanging around with people who aren't from same original country would do that. It's the segregation that causes hostility, not visa versa in my opinion. Also, for future reference, you're attempting to do to me what you accuse others of doing to you. Ask yourself where you'd put yourself on that chart you posted earlier on in the thread.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 16 9.09am | |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
You don't have to fully understand how something would work to form an opinion that it is better than what we currently have in place. The Oz example isn't a fair comparison because they weren't in a free movement block before implementing it. I think we all know beyond any form of doubt that leaving the EU and implementing a points system would reduce migration from the level it is at today. When moving to another country, it's not the other countries job to integrate you. It's your job to integrate. Speaking the language and hanging around with people who aren't from same original country would do that. It's the segregation that causes hostility, not visa versa in my opinion. Also, for future reference, you're attempting to do to me what you accuse others of doing to you. Ask yourself where you'd put yourself on that chart you posted earlier on in the thread. Counter argument, about the third or fourth tier. I'm not personally having a go at you, just asking you to explain your position further and give reasons. To me that is sensible debate. How have I been personal?
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matt_himself Matataland 06 Jun 16 9.35am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You're advocating something you don't fully understand? Did you know migration into Oz has gone up under the points system? Now I'm not saying I have the answers, but I'm sure I'd integrate better if people were less hostile towards me.Yes it is better if you can speak the language. Being encouraged to immerse oneself into a culture would speed things up. Gusset - what do you do to integrate with visitors to this country?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 16 9.50am | |
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It should be irrespective of income, race or culture and the contingent should be at the end of your employment contract - which should be no longer than five years in total, at which point you should be applying for British Citizenship if you wish to remain. If necessary, provision could be made for temporary citizenship, where people wish to retire to their country of origin (i.e. they have citizenship until they retire and then have the option of remaining or leaving). But then I also believe only national citizens should be able to own property in the UK, and that citizens should not be able to own more than two properties without having further properties becoming assets of a limited company.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 Jun 16 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You're advocating something you don't fully understand? Did you know migration into Oz has gone up under the points system? Now I'm not saying I have the answers, but I'm sure I'd integrate better if people were less hostile towards me.Yes it is better if you can speak the language. Being encouraged to immerse oneself into a culture would speed things up. The (and I use this term advisedly) quality of immigrant is higher. i.e. they are generally better educated / skilled. I do think that you are looking at the integration argument a little lopsidedly. We all know that there are sections of the community that integrate better than others. Bradford had massive and still has significant problems with the Muslim population being so insular. This to a greater or lesser extent is repeated in various cities across the country. With the best will in the world it is difficult to encourage integration with people who can't / refuse to speak the language. As for deporting low paid workers - bonkers
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 16 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Gusset - what do you do to integrate with visitors to this country? I treat them as I would anyone else.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 16 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
The (and I use this term advisedly) quality of immigrant is higher. i.e. they are generally better educated / skilled. Which is Aussie speak for generally 'white'. Why is that a better quality that they educated or skilled, surely that is a threat to existing jobs and trades of the upper working classes, rather than the working classes? Australia, is a country where migration is very much still about race, they're just far less open about it. An interesting aside to this, is that my wife is White South African, and in the last 12 years or so a lot of her family and friends have had absolutely no trouble emigrating to Australia - Even people she knew who dropped out of school, and have no really defined skill set.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 16 10.27am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Gusset - what do you do to integrate with visitors to this country? Anal, hard. Its a metaphor for 'Welcome to Britain'
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cardiff eagle 06 Jun 16 11.13am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Counter argument, about the third or fourth tier. I'm not personally having a go at you, just asking you to explain your position further and give reasons. To me that is sensible debate. How have I been personal? Your opening sentence was around second bottom on the scale.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 Jun 16 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Which is Aussie speak for generally 'white'. Why is that a better quality that they educated or skilled, surely that is a threat to existing jobs and trades of the upper working classes, rather than the working classes? Australia, is a country where migration is very much still about race, they're just far less open about it. An interesting aside to this, is that my wife is White South African, and in the last 12 years or so a lot of her family and friends have had absolutely no trouble emigrating to Australia - Even people she knew who dropped out of school, and have no really defined skill set. I don't disagree but it was becoming less of an issue than previously. The last 12-18 months has seen that change again. As for the initial comment, they tend to look for people that won't generally take up the lower grade jobs. You can argue the pros and cons of that approach but it has seemed to work so far. As another aside, lots of Brits are coming back from Oz now especially as they reach retirement
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matt_himself Matataland 06 Jun 16 11.31am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I treat them as I would anyone else. So nothing then? Do don't go out of your way to socialise or spend time with people of other nationalities. However, you seem very adept at telling others what they should do. Interesting.
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