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becky over the moon 01 Jun 16 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
The other story about the 2 lions killed when a man jumped in to a lion pit to commit suicide. What I find shocking is people who suggest that they should have let the man die. A mentally ill human whose life apparently holds less value than a couple of big cats, how is that okay? It's sad that the lions got killed and it's sad that the gorilla was shot, but at the end of the day they are animals, a human life is inherently more valuable and people who suggest otherwise need a reality check. I believe it's called Natural Selection - it's natures way of weeding out the weakest from the genetic pool.
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Stuk Top half 01 Jun 16 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Really? We've not even touched upon those heartless b*stards that slaughter Elephants and Rhino's for their ivory tusks and horn for sale to Chinese 'Pharmacy' potions. Some human life is inherently sub human it seems. Or these nice peaceful buddhists...
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Jun 16 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by becky
I believe it's called Natural Selection - it's natures way of weeding out the weakest from the genetic pool. No weakest per se, Evolution doesn't specifically filter out the weakest or weakness, or genes, its about their adaptability and suitability to the environment. The key, of course here is that being a man with mental illness is of no survival benefit when faced with two lions. That said, without mental illness the outcome is pretty similar. Evolution kills the strong too, as exampled by the rise of mammals, due to an environmental change. Its worth remembering that mental illness has increased over the centuries, not decreased, so its not evolutionally speaking disadvantageous (and could even be beneficial).
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Jun 16 11.48am | |
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Of all religions, you'd think that Hindu and Buddhism, which actually hold the idea of reincarnation as animals as a real thing, would treat animals better. But you just know, that some c**t somewhere, will justify the cruelty as being 'good for the animals spirit' when it returns to the kharmic wheel. Humanity is a failed experiment.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Jun 16 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Lifelong animal fan here and 31 years a non meat-eater. If that had been my kid I would have shot the gorilla myself. I agree with Kermit on this one & we don't often agree. My first thought was why didn't they use a tranquiliser gun, but on listening to the expert on why they shot the gorilla I have to agree with all that he said. Also in my opinion this is starting to fall into the 'Princess Diane' syndrome when 300,000 People sign a petition on the unfortunate death of an animal, but turn a blind eye to gun control or of 100s of migrants washing up dead on the beaches of the Mediterranean.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Jun 16 11.54am | |
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In that situation, as the marksman, with the rifle, I'd probably have taken the shot. In the end, its his responsibility and his call, to ascertain the danger posed, and respond accordingly to what he thinks the outcome is likely to be. Its a regrettable outcome, but its when you see people actually thinking that its somehow the work of god, or blessing or anything other than a f**ked up situation that its disturbing. The truth is, it should never have come to that. Parenting and Zoo design, led to this outcome. We all know that kids are 'difficult to control, keep an eye on and full of curiosity'. So maybe people should think carefully when considering going to a place with dangerous animals, about keeping their kids under control and letting them run loose. Otherwise it ends up in tragedy.
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Mapletree Croydon 01 Jun 16 11.56am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
"Yeehaw.... we have the right to bear arms and shoot the sh1t out of what the fcuk we like... Taint no one gonna take that right away from us! Ya hear!" T'weren't a bear, t'were a grilla. So I suppose the arms are longer.
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Stuk Top half 01 Jun 16 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of all religions, you'd think that Hindu and Buddhism, which actually hold the idea of reincarnation as animals as a real thing, would treat animals better. But you just know, that some c**t somewhere, will justify the cruelty as being 'good for the animals spirit' when it returns to the kharmic wheel. Humanity is a failed experiment. I think it was probably only good for the running and living costs of the monks.
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Stuk Top half 01 Jun 16 12.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I agree with Kermit on this one & we don't often agree. My first thought was why didn't they use a tranquiliser gun, but on listening to the expert on why they shot the gorilla I have to agree with all that he said. Also in my opinion this is starting to fall into the 'Princess Diane' syndrome when 300,000 People sign a petition on the unfortunate death of an animal, but turn a blind eye to gun control or of 100s of migrants washing up dead on the beaches of the Mediterranean. Of course they had to shoot the gorilla and people that sign a petition or stalk the family are morons. There was no intent for this to happen. The kid should never have been in the cage, like the migrants should never be in the Med and the guns should never even be made.
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Palace_love_affair SE London 01 Jun 16 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
The other story about the 2 lions killed when a man jumped in to a lion pit to commit suicide. What I find shocking is people who suggest that they should have let the man die. A mentally ill human whose life apparently holds less value than a couple of big cats, how is that okay? It's sad that the lions got killed and it's sad that the gorilla was shot, but at the end of the day they are animals, a human life is inherently more valuable and people who suggest otherwise need a reality check. In your opinion. In many cases you are probably right but when you are talking about a religious loon who thinks he is a prophet, strips naked and runs to taunt lions in their own enclosure, cnut deserves to die imo. Worse still, he survives and now will be even more deluded. "God saved me" etc etc. Anyone who has ever owned a dog (or any pet most likely) will understand how special animals are. They are loyal with unconditional love. That's more than I can say about 99% of human beings I've ever met.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 01 Jun 16 2.15pm | |
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I saw this on Facebook I cannot vouch for the authenticity but looks genuine and raises some good points I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon. Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by. Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc. I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean. I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes. Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
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nairb75 Baltimore 01 Jun 16 2.25pm | |
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did anyone get a pic of any of the female gorillas? i'd like to see who on here would or wouldn't.
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