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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 Feb 16 1.52pm

Originally posted by susmik

I do not know Nick but what I do know is that we as a country are far better off than the other EU members. hence why Germany do not want us to leave. Angela Merkel is weeing her knickers in case we do leave that is why she is urging other members to agree with what Little DC has put forward. I honestly think that the citizens in this country know more about us coming out than the powers to be realise. The out vote is picking up a lot more than it was and it does look like it will be an out vote when eventually we put pen to paper on our voting slips.

Really. I like to think I keep abreast of such things,but I've yet to hear a reasoned argument from either side of the argument.

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Feb 16 1.56pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Really. I like to think I keep abreast of such things,but I've yet to hear a reasoned argument from either side of the argument.

I like to listen to a lot of debates and programs on the issue and from what I read into the situation is that the EU is quite worried that we might leave due to the fact they know we can survive on our own and lots of other countries will follow suit. Our bankers in London seem to be on the brexit side and not as worried as certain people make out. Our trade is good across the globe and the EU need to trade with us. As you know certain foreign companies have only just recently invested vast amounts of money in their companies situated in the UK even with the uncertainty of us staying in or leaving.

 


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Sportyteacher Flag London 19 Feb 16 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by susmik


That is utter rubbish and you know it. We do far too much trading within the EU and companies know that in this country the economy is picking up quicker than over there. Secretly a lot of EU countries are jealous of us and they themselves want us to stay. IF we leave there will be many others who will leave as well I can assure you!

It isn't rubbish and you should know that. EU members have already threatened to close ranks so as to deter other nations departing. This little island of ours that is barely a speck on the world map still thrives on past grandeurs. UK manufacturing has only managed to get up of its knees of late primarily due to increased strength of sterling and access to European market as a key trading platform. As much as one despises the financial market for past casino-style ruinous behaviour, the reality is that London remains a banking powerhouse for Europe trading and beyond. Volatility within the stock markets has been unprecedented since XMAS therefore The UK currently needs a strong, stable, secure foundation. Furthermore.... 'The EU may be a long way short of perfect but it is much more possible to deal with ringing in much needed change if we are still working from within' (Chakah Amuna,)

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Feb 16 2.40pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It isn't rubbish and you should know that. EU members have already threatened to close ranks so as to deter other nations departing. This little island of ours that is barely a speck on the world map still thrives on past grandeurs. UK manufacturing has only managed to get up of its knees of late primarily due to increased strength of sterling and access to European market as a key trading platform. As much as one despises the financial market for past casino-style ruinous behaviour, the reality is that London remains a banking powerhouse for Europe trading and beyond. Volatility within the stock markets has been unprecedented since XMAS therefore The UK currently needs a strong, stable, secure foundation. Furthermore.... 'The EU may be a long way short of perfect but it is much more possible to deal with ringing in much needed change if we are still working from within' (Chakah Amuna,)

Sorry to be in opposition to you but it is rubbish.... The nations closing ranks in the EU are mainly France and Germany, hence Germany near on begging DC not to leave. If we do leave I can assure you that there are quite few will follow suit and get rid of the hated euro and go back to there original currency. This little speck as you call us is the envy of Europe and well you know it. Please look at the whole picture and not just your side of the argument sportyteacher....Nigel has said all along we would be better leaving and I am turning towards him now as DC has got us nothing in the negotiations that have been going on.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 19 Feb 16 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It isn't rubbish and you should know that. EU members have already threatened to close ranks so as to deter other nations departing. This little island of ours that is barely a speck on the world map still thrives on past grandeurs. UK manufacturing has only managed to get up of its knees of late primarily due to increased strength of sterling and access to European market as a key trading platform. As much as one despises the financial market for past casino-style ruinous behaviour, the reality is that London remains a banking powerhouse for Europe trading and beyond. Volatility within the stock markets has been unprecedented since XMAS therefore The UK currently needs a strong, stable, secure foundation. Furthermore.... 'The EU may be a long way short of perfect but it is much more possible to deal with ringing in much needed change if we are still working from within' (Chakah Amuna,)

It's not rubbish, it's complete bollocks.

If we leave the EU other countries are more likely to decide to do the same rather than refuse to trade with us and no significant companies will move their HQ because of it.

The EU is one of the worst entities to ever exist. We don't need or want to change it from within, we want out of it to be in charge of ourselves once again.

 


Optimistic as ever

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nhp61 Flag Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 19 Feb 16 3.07pm Send a Private Message to nhp61 Add nhp61 as a friend

I often wonder, with tongue in cheek, if the EU would force us to hold a second referendum should we vote to leave. They do have form on this, they forced Ireland to hold second referendums, not once, but twice.

Tis democracy, EU style, keep having referendums until they get the result they want...

 

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Inapickle Flag South West 19 Feb 16 3.22pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Lot of pressure for Cameron to come home with something over the next 24 hours.
Personally I think he will be allowed to come home with some kind of deal, if for no other reason than the other EU leaders letting him save face. However the truth is whatever victory he claims will be a very hollow one indeed.
That said, I hope he gets something (the fact that foreign nationals can move here, having never worked a day in their life in Britain, and then be entitled to send tax payers money home to pay for their children is beyond comprehension to me – particularly galling as I am not entitled to anything to help pay for my 3 kids!)
Thoughts?

..but you have to imagine that these children will grow up with that knowledge, knowing this country helped their family.

 

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the_mcanuff_stuff Flag Caterham 19 Feb 16 3.39pm Send a Private Message to the_mcanuff_stuff Add the_mcanuff_stuff as a friend

Originally posted by nhp61

I often wonder, with tongue in cheek, if the EU would force us to hold a second referendum should we vote to leave. They do have form on this, they forced Ireland to hold second referendums, not once, but twice.

Tis democracy, EU style, keep having referendums until they get the result they want...

Not quite true. It was the Irish government who called a second referendum on a "watered-down" constitution.

Not a big fan of the EU but they have no power to call a referendum in a sovereign state, let alone two.

The British government might call another, who knows. But on this at least, the EU has no say. Assuming they did, it's not in their interest to have an in-out referendum in the first place!

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 19 Feb 16 3.51pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It isn't rubbish and you should know that. EU members have already threatened to close ranks so as to deter other nations departing. This little island of ours that is barely a speck on the world map still thrives on past grandeurs. UK manufacturing has only managed to get up of its knees of late primarily due to increased strength of sterling and access to European market as a key trading platform. As much as one despises the financial market for past casino-style ruinous behaviour, the reality is that London remains a banking powerhouse for Europe trading and beyond. Volatility within the stock markets has been unprecedented since XMAS therefore The UK currently needs a strong, stable, secure foundation. Furthermore.... 'The EU may be a long way short of perfect but it is much more possible to deal with ringing in much needed change if we are still working from within' (Chakah Amuna,)

Threats is all it can ever be. Could you imagine the conversation:
"Hi, BMW, VW, Citroen?
This is Mrs Merkel, we'd like to to stop selling your cars to the UK, as they've really upset me.
Hello?
Hello?"

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 19 Feb 16 4.09pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It isn't rubbish and you should know that. EU members have already threatened to close ranks so as to deter other nations departing. This little island of ours that is barely a speck on the world map still thrives on past grandeurs. UK manufacturing has only managed to get up of its knees of late primarily due to increased strength of sterling and access to European market as a key trading platform. As much as one despises the financial market for past casino-style ruinous behaviour, the reality is that London remains a banking powerhouse for Europe trading and beyond. Volatility within the stock markets has been unprecedented since XMAS therefore The UK currently needs a strong, stable, secure foundation. Furthermore.... 'The EU may be a long way short of perfect but it is much more possible to deal with ringing in much needed change if we are still working from within' (Chakah Amuna,)

Third largest population in the EU, third lowest unemployment in all Europe, and the stock markets are only a reflection of companies listed on our exchanges. Some in the FTSE100 have no business in the UK at all.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 16 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

At the end of the day, Cameron cannot be blamed for any failure to achieve his main objectives.At the end of the day this misguided and troubled EU is totally against any change other than further integration.

That said, I happen to believe it won't be right that any concessions he manages to secure, which will probably be meaningless and wholly inadequate, will be presented as meaning "Success".

VOTE LEAVE

 

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Sportyteacher Flag London 19 Feb 16 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

It's not rubbish, it's complete bollocks.

If we leave the EU other countries are more likely to decide to do the same rather than refuse to trade with us and no significant companies will move their HQ because of it.

The EU is one of the worst entities to ever exist. We don't need or want to change it from within, we want out of it to be in charge of ourselves once again.

And apart from seemingly hefty dose of Farageitis...what statistical evidence do you base your assumption that 'We don't need or want to change it from within, we want out of it to be in charge of ourselves once again'. Who exactly is WE and how many?

For what it is worth, I do wholeheartedly agree that EU has been a poorly run political animal but rather than put it down , it needs to be operated upon from within, for the potential growth and development that it can generate for UK needs & interests.

For those who wish us to leave, then you obviously think Barack Obama is likewise a cretan given his views. He said the UK's EU membership "gives us much greater confidence about the strength of the transatlantic union".

So is Barack wrong as well? Or is he a realist in terms of modern day market forces and beyond?

 

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