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DanH SW2 12 Feb 16 2.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Dan.... you fancy yourself (literally too LOL) as a bit of an accountant no? Do you have any ideas for designing and creating new future proof tax laws to stop Google and others like them taking the p1ss? It's all very well criticising the existing laws but many have tried to have wordings that they thought were watertight only to find accountancy firms like KPMG creating ways round them within days of their announcement. Well I work in tax and I'm chartered qualified so have an inkling of how it all works. Tax laws are all political. The industry knows it, big business knows it, the government knows it. Every sector in tax has a forum between the government and industry which is effectively for the industry to lobby the government on behalf of their major clients. HMRC stand no chance. The existing corporate tax rules are are still largely based around the time when the UK was a manufacturing economy producing actual phyiscal goods. It's never really moved on to cope with the big boys selling IP and intangibles.
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 12 Feb 16 3.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Only 10 a year!!
I know someone very high up in HR there :-) Anyway I have said my bit and I am out, it is a complex issue and I am not sure it has as clearer cut answer as some would want it to have.
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robdave2k 12 Feb 16 4.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
As to how, well, nations would know that they would get a share of the tax pot of the various companies that trade in their nation. Also, if all companies were obliged to pay their portion at what ever rate was set internationally there would be a lot more money floating around for nations to claim. How is it like a tax version of the EU? I don't quite get your point there. First question - who will administer it?
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Mr Palaceman 12 Feb 16 9.23pm | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
First question - who will administer it? Well that is a good question. Without Googling it I don't know who would be responsible for implimenting international tax/business law. Obviuously there would have to be international agreement.
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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 12 Feb 16 10.46pm | |
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The answer is (relatively) simple. You just abolish corporate tax completely and increase VAT. You could also increase employer NI and business rates but that would simply reduce jobs in the UK. Large companies will of course still generally exploit VAT loopholes much more effectively than small ones but at least their sales are generally much easier to measure than their costs. The problem is that it is politically unacceptable to reduce tax on faceless companies and burden johnny taxpayer with the cost.
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Hoof Hearted 13 Feb 16 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Well I work in tax and I'm chartered qualified so have an inkling of how it all works. Tax laws are all political. The industry knows it, big business knows it, the government knows it. Every sector in tax has a forum between the government and industry which is effectively for the industry to lobby the government on behalf of their major clients. HMRC stand no chance. The existing corporate tax rules are are still largely based around the time when the UK was a manufacturing economy producing actual phyiscal goods. It's never really moved on to cope with the big boys selling IP and intangibles. So that's a no then?
I was hoping for a pithy wording/strategy from you that would tie Google etc up in knots!
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 13 Feb 16 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
Well that is a good question. Withouft Googling it I don't know who would be responsible for implimenting international tax/business law. Obviuously there would have to be international agreement. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (13 Feb 2016 12.04pm)
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Mr Palaceman 13 Feb 16 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (13 Feb 2016 12.04pm) LOL, I looked at the bit you highlighted 4 times before I saw it.. Good time to use a smiley..
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Sportyteacher London 15 Feb 16 8.43am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Well I work in tax and I'm chartered qualified so have an inkling of how it all works. Tax laws are all political. The industry knows it, big business knows it, the government knows it. Every sector in tax has a forum between the government and industry which is effectively for the industry to lobby the government on behalf of their major clients. HMRC stand no chance. The existing corporate tax rules are are still largely based around the time when the UK was a manufacturing economy producing actual phyiscal goods. It's never really moved on to cope with the big boys selling IP and intangibles. DanH: Really interesting contribution from you to this thread. Given your background or anybody else who works in Tax, how would you change the system to make it fairer for everybody?
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robdave2k 15 Feb 16 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
DanH: Really interesting contribution from you to this thread. Given your background or anybody else who works in Tax, how would you change the system to make it fairer for everybody?
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DanH SW2 15 Feb 16 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
DanH: Really interesting contribution from you to this thread. Given your background or anybody else who works in Tax, how would you change the system to make it fairer for everybody?
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Hoof Hearted 15 Feb 16 10.52am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Booooooo We were all hoping the Messiah of Tax Reform was going to enlighten us!
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