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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 6.06pm

From a Doctor on facebook...


So all of us medics are manning the barricades in more or less unprecedented industrial action. Doctors striking has more implications than most public services including a hugely regrettable reduced workforce to look after patients. With all the spin and unhelpful butting-in and faux-journalism from The Sun and Daily Mail, it can be difficult understand why he have been forced to take this action against Mr. Hunt and his new contract. I thought I would briefly try and elaborate what I know about the dispute a bit for any non-medic friends that might be slightly confused.
The main issue is around the removal of safeguards against even more excessive hours. Most people know that the vast vast majority of doctors work long hours, 7 days a week. Currently, hospitals have to pay Doctors back-pay for all the time they work over the legal limit, which I believe is based in the European Working Time Directive. This currently acts as a deterrent to hospitals overworking doctors. The govt would like to remove these safeguards, effectively leaving us open to being heavily overworked, leaving us tired and less able to look after our sick patients properly. Being forced to provide a lower standard of care by people like David Cameron and Jeremy Hunt is completely and utterly unacceptable to us.
The issue with pay, where Jeremy Hunt has knowingly lied to and misled the public by saying we will get an 11% pay rise, will actually see doctors see a pay cut of around 25%. This is because juniors are currently paid with a basic salary, supplemented with 'banding'. This banding is a percentage of our basic pay paid on top of that basic pay and it is paid based on how much overtime you work. All doctors work a large amount of overtime. This means basic salary is topped up with around what I think is another 25-50% for most doctors. The govt wants to remove banding in return for an increase in basic salary. This amounts to a de facto pay cut and less compensation for the heavily antisocial hours medics can work. The govt know this.
I'm sure most people understand that doctors are not motivated by money and we are not paid well for our efforts until very late in our careers. We object to being degraded by a rich, malevolent, overpaid Conservative govt like the one currently in power. They have approved massive pay increases for themselves and appeased tax-dodging financial workers and big business because they are seen as too valuable to lose overseas. What does that say about how they value us? Furthermore, if we do not take action now, which group of hardworking, high-contributing workers will be threatened next? Whether we like it or not this is a proxy battle between public service workers and the Conservatives' policy of privatisation. If we don't dig in hard now we could lose our NHS to defunding, degradation and privatisation. It's about who you trust more, NHS doctors or Conservative MPs and we need all the help we can get."

 

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johnfirewall Flag 14 Jan 16 9.34am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

The tabloids have behaved quite disgracefully throughout although too many accounts from junior doctors read like like 'Jeremy *unt cut my pay in half' but with more words.

An 11% basic increase plus more overtime resulting in a 25% net reduction in pay would equate to roughly a third of their hours being overtime and them working it for free.

Can we have genuine before/ after hours and pay rates please? I'd rather deal with numbers than politics.

 

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Hoof Hearted 14 Jan 16 12.33pm

Does anyone else seem shocked/ashamed that a junior doctor's starting pay is only £23,000?

Doesn't seem much of a reward for completing a medical degree to me!

Then look at the hours they are expected to put in?

No wonder they are up in arms.

 

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johnfirewall Flag 14 Jan 16 12.53pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Jan 2016 12.33pm

Does anyone else seem shocked/ashamed that a junior doctor's starting pay is only £23,000?

Doesn't seem much of a reward for completing a medical degree to me!

Then look at the hours they are expected to put in?

No wonder they are up in arms.

Never suggest that teachers are overpaid in comparison though. The difference should just be made up by taxing bankers.

Edited by johnfirewall (14 Jan 2016 12.53pm)

 

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johnfirewall Flag 15 Jan 16 3.24pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Saw one doctor complaining about his £2.31/h for being on call i.e. near the hospital.

Initially I thought that wasn't a bad deal but then realised that I'd rather have decent night's sleep than the 20 quid if I was on a consultant's salary.

Edited by johnfirewall (15 Jan 2016 3.25pm)

 

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DanH Flag SW2 12 Feb 16 10.43am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Surprising lack of commentary on this seeing it's been pretty much news story number one this week.

Or is everyone just in agreement that Jeremy Hunt is a c*ntweasel of the highest order?

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 12 Feb 16 10.47am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Does anyone else seem shocked/ashamed that a junior doctor's starting pay is only £23,000?

Doesn't seem much of a reward for completing a medical degree to me!

Then look at the hours they are expected to put in?

No wonder they are up in arms.

Similar could be said of a junior banker too, Their salary is not brilliant to start but rockets over time.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 12 Feb 16 10.59am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Surprising lack of commentary on this seeing it's been pretty much news story number one this week.

Or is everyone just in agreement that Jeremy Hunt is a c*ntweasel of the highest order?

Difficult to have much of a debate when it appears that the vast majority are in agreement. They are being shafted and it ain't right!

Up the doctors!

I'm not sure I've ever backed a strike before, nice to try something new

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 12 Feb 16 11.18am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Surprising lack of commentary on this seeing it's been pretty much news story number one this week.

Or is everyone just in agreement that Jeremy Hunt is a c*ntweasel of the highest order?

pretty much yes

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 12 Feb 16 12.15pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

This is just another thin end of the wedge attack aimed at an eventual full privatisation of the NHS - which is already happening piecemeal (and not being reported by the right wing press - funny that)..

At least 70 MP's and 100 members of the Lords have private interest in private Healthcare companies....Hunt is just the salesman

Edited by The Sash (12 Feb 2016 12.15pm)

 


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Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Feb 16 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by The Sash

This is just another thin end of the wedge attack aimed at an eventual full privatisation of the NHS - which is already happening piecemeal (and not being reported by the right wing press - funny that)..

At least 70 MP's and 100 members of the Lords have private interest in private Healthcare companies....Hunt is just the salesman

Edited by The Sash (12 Feb 2016 12.15pm)

The blatant surpression from the public eye of the scale of MP / Lords financial interest in NHS privatisation is borderline criminal.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (12 Feb 2016 2.09pm)

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Feb 16 2.27pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

I thought it was about weekend mortality rates - plus getting any kind of a rise during a period of austerity, albeit low inflation, when no other public sector employees are getting much of a rise, that must be something surely.

 

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