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Really Cucking ? This is a rather pretentious position to take. Music is subjective as we all know, None of the songs on that list are especially offensive and have sold millions. That means that in the cha ching sense these songs are very good indeed. It has come to my notice that we always have the annual musical snobbery where by all the usual popular hits are trashed and some awful obscure never heard of, never want to hear again "alternative" Christmas song about vomiting or killing yourself is heralded as the best thing since Christmas pud. Do me a favour. If you want a less well know gem try "Christmas all over Again" by Tom Petty with Jeff Lynne producing. That is a proper song. To an extent, its subjective as to whether you like it or not (I quite like the first B*witched album but it is s**te) - But there is definitely a difference between music as art and music as entertainment. The likes of the Velvet Underground will always be better than say 1 Direction. My favourite Christmas song is Just Like Christmas by Low. [Link] Captures the spirit of Christmas lyrically and musically, without having to stoop to using clichés. Perfect.
Musical taste should not be confused with snobbery. I'm not sure by what measure you could say that Velvet Underground were good beyond the emperors new clothes effect whereby a lot of so called experts claimed they were great, and then later, influential. Well lots of experts claimed they were great, entire genres of bands claim them as their primary inspiration, regularly make the top 20 bands of all time, they had John Cale and Lou Reed as members who both have massive regard in the music industry and despite having little commercial success at the time. I think taste is subjective, but that artistic ability transcends taste. A great example of this is Bowie and Roxy Music, both bands I never really liked but still regard as being exceptional. Pop music is what it is, a disposable form of enjoyment kind of like an action flick. Good fun, but nothing more.
It is the same as when people claim that Eric Clapton or Jimmi Hendrix are the greatest ever guitarists when their talents pale compared to many other relative unknowns. I wouldn't say I could comment on classical music - I don't really get it. I can only say I know what I like. I get what your saying Maybe, but then when other guitarists renown for their ability say the same thing, you probably should pay attention. I don't particularly enjoy Clapton's output but that guy can certainly play the guitar. As for Hendrix, anyone who thinks he is overated should watch live footage of him playing the guitar - its almost transcendental. Whether he's the greatest guitarist of all time, I don't know, but he's probably one of the greatest rock guitarist of all time. Just watching him play live (admittedly on video) is about the most rock guitar experience you can ever witness - Its like watching someone make love to the guitar. I get that people don't like the sound of the Velvet Underground but their legacy speaks for itself.
It doesn't matter if you're technically the best, its how you express that talent though that matters surely? Talent is the formative basis on which artistic expression is based. I know people who are technically better guitarists than Hendrix but that's only the skill of guitar, the art transcends just the technical ability to include the performance itself. But when you say Rock Guitar, it doesn't become more balls out embodiment of what rock is, than Hendrix live on stage. Best guitarist in the world, certainly not, best rock guitarist in the world he's got to be in the top ten. Otherwise we'd all be raving about Laughing Lenny Cohen's picking on Teachers (which is according to a very talented guitar playing friend bloody difficult to do solo), and that any conversation about the best female vocalist would start and end with Maria Callas
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Dec 2015 5.38pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Dec 2015 3.38pm
Really Cucking ? This is a rather pretentious position to take. Music is subjective as we all know, None of the songs on that list are especially offensive and have sold millions. That means that in the cha ching sense these songs are very good indeed. It has come to my notice that we always have the annual musical snobbery where by all the usual popular hits are trashed and some awful obscure never heard of, never want to hear again "alternative" Christmas song about vomiting or killing yourself is heralded as the best thing since Christmas pud. Do me a favour. If you want a less well know gem try "Christmas all over Again" by Tom Petty with Jeff Lynne producing. That is a proper song. To an extent, its subjective as to whether you like it or not (I quite like the first B*witched album but it is s**te) - But there is definitely a difference between music as art and music as entertainment. The likes of the Velvet Underground will always be better than say 1 Direction. My favourite Christmas song is Just Like Christmas by Low. [Link] Captures the spirit of Christmas lyrically and musically, without having to stoop to using clichés. Perfect.
Musical taste should not be confused with snobbery. I'm not sure by what measure you could say that Velvet Underground were good beyond the emperors new clothes effect whereby a lot of so called experts claimed they were great, and then later, influential. Well lots of experts claimed they were great, entire genres of bands claim them as their primary inspiration, regularly make the top 20 bands of all time, they had John Cale and Lou Reed as members who both have massive regard in the music industry and despite having little commercial success at the time. I think taste is subjective, but that artistic ability transcends taste. A great example of this is Bowie and Roxy Music, both bands I never really liked but still regard as being exceptional. Pop music is what it is, a disposable form of enjoyment kind of like an action flick. Good fun, but nothing more.
It is the same as when people claim that Eric Clapton or Jimmi Hendrix are the greatest ever guitarists when their talents pale compared to many other relative unknowns. I wouldn't say I could comment on classical music - I don't really get it. I can only say I know what I like. I get what your saying Maybe, but then when other guitarists renown for their ability say the same thing, you probably should pay attention. I don't particularly enjoy Clapton's output but that guy can certainly play the guitar. As for Hendrix, anyone who thinks he is overated should watch live footage of him playing the guitar - its almost transcendental. Whether he's the greatest guitarist of all time, I don't know, but he's probably one of the greatest rock guitarist of all time. Just watching him play live (admittedly on video) is about the most rock guitar experience you can ever witness - Its like watching someone make love to the guitar. I get that people don't like the sound of the Velvet Underground but their legacy speaks for itself.
It doesn't matter if you're technically the best, its how you express that talent though that matters surely? Talent is the formative basis on which artistic expression is based. I know people who are technically better guitarists than Hendrix but that's only the skill of guitar, the art transcends just the technical ability to include the performance itself. But when you say Rock Guitar, it doesn't become more balls out embodiment of what rock is, than Hendrix live on stage. Best guitarist in the world, certainly not, best rock guitarist in the world he's got to be in the top ten. Otherwise we'd all be raving about Laughing Lenny Cohen's picking on Teachers (which is according to a very talented guitar playing friend bloody difficult to do solo), and that any conversation about the best female vocalist would start and end with Maria Callas Well indeed, but the distinction has to be drawn between talent or technical ability and showmanship. Rock is about expressing passion and excitement and Hendrix was all about that but in terms of technical ability he is very average. He was more an innovator of rock guitar performance with a very personal style that others copied. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Dec 2015 1.39pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Dec 15 2.51pm | |
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Dec 15 5.05pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.
Try searching Tommy Emmanuel(Australian) or Richard Smith (English guitarist) if you want to hear real guitar virtuosity and there are many others. Nashville is full of great guitarists but if you like rock first an foremost then that is what you will migrate toward regardless. I like listening to Ace Frehley and he is very average. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Dec 2015 5.09pm)
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 29 Dec 15 6.02pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Dec 15 10.42am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red. I'd stand by this, the guy simply is an amazing guitarist, although he's never really been interested in playing professionally (ok better might be overstating it, but he can play Jimmy's stuff note perfect). That said, I'd rather watch Jimi strut his stuff and kick out the jams. And I love Hendrix.
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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 30 Dec 15 11.45am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 15 12.08pm | |
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
* Attempts to mediate in someone elses bust up : PINKCARD! * Being Dannyh : PINKCARD!
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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 30 Dec 15 12.13pm | |
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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 15 12.13pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Dec 15 1.25pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
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