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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Dec 15 1.14pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Dec 2015 11.36am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 9.40am

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Dec 2015 3.38pm

Really Cucking ?

This is a rather pretentious position to take. Music is subjective as we all know,

None of the songs on that list are especially offensive and have sold millions. That means that in the cha ching sense these songs are very good indeed.

It has come to my notice that we always have the annual musical snobbery where by all the usual popular hits are trashed and some awful obscure never heard of, never want to hear again "alternative" Christmas song about vomiting or killing yourself is heralded as the best thing since Christmas pud.

Do me a favour.

If you want a less well know gem try "Christmas all over Again" by Tom Petty with Jeff Lynne producing. That is a proper song.

To an extent, its subjective as to whether you like it or not (I quite like the first B*witched album but it is s**te) - But there is definitely a difference between music as art and music as entertainment. The likes of the Velvet Underground will always be better than say 1 Direction.

My favourite Christmas song is Just Like Christmas by Low. [Link] Captures the spirit of Christmas lyrically and musically, without having to stoop to using clichés.

Perfect.



Funny because I thought they were utter crap.

Musical taste should not be confused with snobbery.

I'm not sure by what measure you could say that Velvet Underground were good beyond the emperors new clothes effect whereby a lot of so called experts claimed they were great, and then later, influential.
I thought their music was mostly dreadful and most people seem to agree because they sold sod all records.
One Direction by contrast have sold loads of copy but it is equally hard to equate that with musical quality since most of their songs are likely bought by ten year olds.
Clearly some musicianship or singing is technically better than another and it could be argued that some song/tune writing is also technically better than another, but aside from that, musical taste is totally subjective and technical brilliance does not necessarily make for enjoyable. Neither does someone else telling you you should like it.

Well lots of experts claimed they were great, entire genres of bands claim them as their primary inspiration, regularly make the top 20 bands of all time, they had John Cale and Lou Reed as members who both have massive regard in the music industry and despite having little commercial success at the time.

I think taste is subjective, but that artistic ability transcends taste. A great example of this is Bowie and Roxy Music, both bands I never really liked but still regard as being exceptional.

Pop music is what it is, a disposable form of enjoyment kind of like an action flick. Good fun, but nothing more.



Perhaps, but an advocate of classical music would probably say that, with some justification, about Velvet Underground or indeed any other acclaimed contemporary music.

It is the same as when people claim that Eric Clapton or Jimmi Hendrix are the greatest ever guitarists when their talents pale compared to many other relative unknowns.
It is just people who are totally unqualified, or following the herd to avoid appearing stupid, expressing an opinion.

I wouldn't say I could comment on classical music - I don't really get it. I can only say I know what I like. I get what your saying

Maybe, but then when other guitarists renown for their ability say the same thing, you probably should pay attention. I don't particularly enjoy Clapton's output but that guy can certainly play the guitar.

As for Hendrix, anyone who thinks he is overated should watch live footage of him playing the guitar - its almost transcendental. Whether he's the greatest guitarist of all time, I don't know, but he's probably one of the greatest rock guitarist of all time. Just watching him play live (admittedly on video) is about the most rock guitar experience you can ever witness - Its like watching someone make love to the guitar.

I get that people don't like the sound of the Velvet Underground but their legacy speaks for itself.



All these things are more about opinion and the manipulation of said more than reality.
Hendrix was not technically good but obviously inspired and impressed people with his idiosyncratic style. But I can tell you with some authority that his talent is greatly exaggerated. Clapton is a good blues guitarist but blues is really not that difficult in the grand scheme of guitar playing. That does not mean it is not enjoyable to many of course including myself but talent and ability are rarely related to popularity. That is usually about promotion, trend and who you know.

It doesn't matter if you're technically the best, its how you express that talent though that matters surely? Talent is the formative basis on which artistic expression is based. I know people who are technically better guitarists than Hendrix but that's only the skill of guitar, the art transcends just the technical ability to include the performance itself.

But when you say Rock Guitar, it doesn't become more balls out embodiment of what rock is, than Hendrix live on stage. Best guitarist in the world, certainly not, best rock guitarist in the world he's got to be in the top ten.

Otherwise we'd all be raving about Laughing Lenny Cohen's picking on Teachers (which is according to a very talented guitar playing friend bloody difficult to do solo), and that any conversation about the best female vocalist would start and end with Maria Callas

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 1.14pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 29 Dec 2015 11.36am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 9.40am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Dec 2015 10.22pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Dec 2015 9.47pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Dec 2015 5.38pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Dec 2015 5.48pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Dec 2015 3.38pm

Really Cucking ?

This is a rather pretentious position to take. Music is subjective as we all know,

None of the songs on that list are especially offensive and have sold millions. That means that in the cha ching sense these songs are very good indeed.

It has come to my notice that we always have the annual musical snobbery where by all the usual popular hits are trashed and some awful obscure never heard of, never want to hear again "alternative" Christmas song about vomiting or killing yourself is heralded as the best thing since Christmas pud.

Do me a favour.

If you want a less well know gem try "Christmas all over Again" by Tom Petty with Jeff Lynne producing. That is a proper song.

To an extent, its subjective as to whether you like it or not (I quite like the first B*witched album but it is s**te) - But there is definitely a difference between music as art and music as entertainment. The likes of the Velvet Underground will always be better than say 1 Direction.

My favourite Christmas song is Just Like Christmas by Low. [Link] Captures the spirit of Christmas lyrically and musically, without having to stoop to using clichés.

Perfect.



Funny because I thought they were utter crap.

Musical taste should not be confused with snobbery.

I'm not sure by what measure you could say that Velvet Underground were good beyond the emperors new clothes effect whereby a lot of so called experts claimed they were great, and then later, influential.
I thought their music was mostly dreadful and most people seem to agree because they sold sod all records.
One Direction by contrast have sold loads of copy but it is equally hard to equate that with musical quality since most of their songs are likely bought by ten year olds.
Clearly some musicianship or singing is technically better than another and it could be argued that some song/tune writing is also technically better than another, but aside from that, musical taste is totally subjective and technical brilliance does not necessarily make for enjoyable. Neither does someone else telling you you should like it.

Well lots of experts claimed they were great, entire genres of bands claim them as their primary inspiration, regularly make the top 20 bands of all time, they had John Cale and Lou Reed as members who both have massive regard in the music industry and despite having little commercial success at the time.

I think taste is subjective, but that artistic ability transcends taste. A great example of this is Bowie and Roxy Music, both bands I never really liked but still regard as being exceptional.

Pop music is what it is, a disposable form of enjoyment kind of like an action flick. Good fun, but nothing more.



Perhaps, but an advocate of classical music would probably say that, with some justification, about Velvet Underground or indeed any other acclaimed contemporary music.

It is the same as when people claim that Eric Clapton or Jimmi Hendrix are the greatest ever guitarists when their talents pale compared to many other relative unknowns.
It is just people who are totally unqualified, or following the herd to avoid appearing stupid, expressing an opinion.

I wouldn't say I could comment on classical music - I don't really get it. I can only say I know what I like. I get what your saying

Maybe, but then when other guitarists renown for their ability say the same thing, you probably should pay attention. I don't particularly enjoy Clapton's output but that guy can certainly play the guitar.

As for Hendrix, anyone who thinks he is overated should watch live footage of him playing the guitar - its almost transcendental. Whether he's the greatest guitarist of all time, I don't know, but he's probably one of the greatest rock guitarist of all time. Just watching him play live (admittedly on video) is about the most rock guitar experience you can ever witness - Its like watching someone make love to the guitar.

I get that people don't like the sound of the Velvet Underground but their legacy speaks for itself.



All these things are more about opinion and the manipulation of said more than reality.
Hendrix was not technically good but obviously inspired and impressed people with his idiosyncratic style. But I can tell you with some authority that his talent is greatly exaggerated. Clapton is a good blues guitarist but blues is really not that difficult in the grand scheme of guitar playing. That does not mean it is not enjoyable to many of course including myself but talent and ability are rarely related to popularity. That is usually about promotion, trend and who you know.

It doesn't matter if you're technically the best, its how you express that talent though that matters surely? Talent is the formative basis on which artistic expression is based. I know people who are technically better guitarists than Hendrix but that's only the skill of guitar, the art transcends just the technical ability to include the performance itself.

But when you say Rock Guitar, it doesn't become more balls out embodiment of what rock is, than Hendrix live on stage. Best guitarist in the world, certainly not, best rock guitarist in the world he's got to be in the top ten.

Otherwise we'd all be raving about Laughing Lenny Cohen's picking on Teachers (which is according to a very talented guitar playing friend bloody difficult to do solo), and that any conversation about the best female vocalist would start and end with Maria Callas

Well indeed, but the distinction has to be drawn between talent or technical ability and showmanship.

Rock is about expressing passion and excitement and Hendrix was all about that but in terms of technical ability he is very average. He was more an innovator of rock guitar performance with a very personal style that others copied.
Yes, Maria Callas would probably set the bar for female singing but I would rather listen to Celine Dion. We all like what we like at the end of the day but that is a separate matter.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Dec 15 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.


He is average in the scale of great guitarists but if you like what he does then great. I like him.

Try searching Tommy Emmanuel(Australian) or Richard Smith (English guitarist) if you want to hear real guitar virtuosity and there are many others. Nashville is full of great guitarists but if you like rock first an foremost then that is what you will migrate toward regardless. I like listening to Ace Frehley and he is very average.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.


 


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Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Dec 15 10.42am

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.


I'd stand by this, the guy simply is an amazing guitarist, although he's never really been interested in playing professionally (ok better might be overstating it, but he can play Jimmy's stuff note perfect). That said, I'd rather watch Jimi strut his stuff and kick out the jams.

And I love Hendrix.


 


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Superfly Flag The sun always shines in Catford 30 Dec 15 11.45am Send a Private Message to Superfly Add Superfly as a friend

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



I like the idea of a pink card, but with a different application.


* Use of the words Dainty, Fabulous or Peculiar : PINKCARD!

* Attempts to mediate in someone elses bust up : PINKCARD!

* Being Dannyh : PINKCARD!

 


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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 15 12.08pm

Quote Superfly at 30 Dec 2015 11.45am

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



I like the idea of a pink card, but with a different application.


* Use of the words Dainty, Fabulous or Peculiar : PINKCARD!

* Attempts to mediate in someone elses bust up : PINKCARD!

* Being Dannyh : PINKCARD!


Dressing up as a woman and singing in Amdram productions............. PINKCARD!

 

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I've never dressed as a women in public

much

this week

 


Lend me a Tenor

31 May to 3 June 2017

John McIntosh Arts Centre
London Oratory School
SW6 1RX

with Superfly in the chorus
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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 15 12.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.

 

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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 15 12.14pm

Quote Superfly at 30 Dec 2015 12.13pm

I've never dressed as a women in public

much

this week


You luvvies love it..... Superfly Biggins..... LOL

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 12.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.

 

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