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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 30 Nov 15 3.37pm
Quote Willo at 30 Nov 2015 1.53pm Quote Boooo at 29 Nov 2015 8.51pm This government obviously despise people without money, the poor, the elderly and worst of all, the disabled. This and most other Tory governments look down from their millionaire, nee billionaire (in some cases) ivory towers with such ill against the above mentioned that it makes me feel ill. Total and unadulterated hogwash and piffle to boot. That's all I will say about this torrent of bile. No further comment necessary. BOOOOOOO to you. Spot the roaring right winger! Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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Just outside Cape Town 30 Nov 15 3.37pm

Quote Willo at 30 Nov 2015 1.53pm

Quote Boooo at 29 Nov 2015 8.51pm

This government obviously despise people without money, the poor, the elderly and worst of all, the disabled.
This and most other Tory governments look down from their millionaire, nee billionaire (in some cases) ivory towers with such ill against the above mentioned that it makes me feel ill.

Total and unadulterated hogwash and piffle to boot.

That's all I will say about this torrent of bile.
No further comment necessary.

BOOOOOOO to you.

Spot the roaring right winger!

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Nov 15 4.52pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 2.54pm Quote The Sash at 30 Nov 2015 1.10pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Nov 2015 10.29am Quote becky at 27 Nov 2015 8.59pm You are not legally required to register to vote, but your local authority has the right to impose a penalty on you if you fail to do so:- [Link] Now, how bonkers is that?...... That is a bit strange? But as Kermit quite rightly points out, places like Burma highlight how lucky we are to have our system of voting, yet some people don't appreciate it.... that is the strangest thing. Disingenuous example though Hoof. Don't shoot the messenger - Kermit started it! FFS I get the blame for everything on here! Ha ha And so you should. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 30 Nov 15 4.52pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2015 2.54pm

Quote The Sash at 30 Nov 2015 1.10pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Nov 2015 10.29am

Quote becky at 27 Nov 2015 8.59pm

You are not legally required to register to vote, but your local authority has the right to impose a penalty on you if you fail to do so:-

[Link]

Now, how bonkers is that?......

That is a bit strange?

But as Kermit quite rightly points out, places like Burma highlight how lucky we are to have our system of voting, yet some people don't appreciate it.... that is the strangest thing.

Disingenuous example though Hoof.

Don't shoot the messenger - Kermit started it!

FFS I get the blame for everything on here!

Ha ha And so you should.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 15 9.48am
Quote npn at 30 Nov 2015 2.17pm It's time for PR - and anyone who claims we had a referendum and rejected it is a buffoon! The only downside is it effectively means independents have next to no chance, and that local representation is no more (but I'd suggest that's what local councils are for in any case). The referendum was a chance for the LibDems to really add something, but they folded, and gave in to a question roughly equivalent to "would you like to keep the FPTP system, or would you like us to smear your upper lip with pig excrement?" I quite agree, a democratic system with representation for all. Likely now given the independence of Scotland, NI and Wales, it would be split into being based on representation from each of the 'Kingdoms' (at least for a while) but I would like personally to see parties like the SNP et al appeal beyond their 'nationalist agendas', which is fairly unrealistic I guess, but I'm not really very nationalist. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Dec 15 9.48am

Quote npn at 30 Nov 2015 2.17pm

It's time for PR - and anyone who claims we had a referendum and rejected it is a buffoon!

The only downside is it effectively means independents have next to no chance, and that local representation is no more (but I'd suggest that's what local councils are for in any case).

The referendum was a chance for the LibDems to really add something, but they folded, and gave in to a question roughly equivalent to "would you like to keep the FPTP system, or would you like us to smear your upper lip with pig excrement?"

I quite agree, a democratic system with representation for all. Likely now given the independence of Scotland, NI and Wales, it would be split into being based on representation from each of the 'Kingdoms' (at least for a while) but I would like personally to see parties like the SNP et al appeal beyond their 'nationalist agendas', which is fairly unrealistic I guess, but I'm not really very nationalist.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 01 Dec 15 1.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 1.55pm Quote The Sash at 30 Nov 2015 1.10pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Nov 2015 10.29am Quote becky at 27 Nov 2015 8.59pm You are not legally required to register to vote, but your local authority has the right to impose a penalty on you if you fail to do so:- [Link] Now, how bonkers is that?...... That is a bit strange? But as Kermit quite rightly points out, places like Burma highlight how lucky we are to have our system of voting, yet some people don't appreciate it.... that is the strangest thing. Disingenuous example though Hoof. Goes without saying that living in a 'democratic' (and I use the term very loosely) system is better than a military dictatorship. Our system of voting however is hardly democratic or inclusive or even representative. Its kept as is it to enable the partisan political system and parties to survive. As Mark Twain so (rightly imho) said ' If voting actually changed anything they wouldn't let us do it'. All people do every 5 years is vote to subject themselves and their families to social genetic engineering. I don't vote and all this 'you cant then moan' or ' you should spoil your ballot' is utter bollocks... People who do vote under the current system are the problem, the fact we cant have a 'none of the above' option is the problem....people who vote 'tactically' are part of the problem (these boards where littered with disaffected Labourites voting Lib-Dem to keep the Tories out election before last - how did that work out for them ?). Usually, but it really does depend on the dictator in question and where you are in relation to the balance of power. Dictatorships often succeed because of their ability to bring stability and security to otherwise troubled regions. I wouldn't say Russia has been wildly improved by Democracy for example. Its generally true, that democracy tends towards avoiding tyranny, but its not entirely true. Our political system is one of ensuring 'a reliable corporate friendly continuity and pacification of threats to the system'. Of course it has, maybe not by much but certainly better than the days of the Soviet Union for more of its population. A Dictatorship generally is run on the basis of fear so in that respect whether the dictator attaches the electrodes to the nipples rather than the bollocks of his political opponents because it hurts a little bit less is pretty moot. Edited by The Sash (01 Dec 2015 1.42pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 01 Dec 15 1.34pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 1.55pm

Quote The Sash at 30 Nov 2015 1.10pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Nov 2015 10.29am

Quote becky at 27 Nov 2015 8.59pm

You are not legally required to register to vote, but your local authority has the right to impose a penalty on you if you fail to do so:-

[Link]

Now, how bonkers is that?......

That is a bit strange?

But as Kermit quite rightly points out, places like Burma highlight how lucky we are to have our system of voting, yet some people don't appreciate it.... that is the strangest thing.

Disingenuous example though Hoof.

Goes without saying that living in a 'democratic' (and I use the term very loosely) system is better than a military dictatorship.

Our system of voting however is hardly democratic or inclusive or even representative. Its kept as is it to enable the partisan political system and parties to survive.

As Mark Twain so (rightly imho) said ' If voting actually changed anything they wouldn't let us do it'.

All people do every 5 years is vote to subject themselves and their families to social genetic engineering.

I don't vote and all this 'you cant then moan' or ' you should spoil your ballot' is utter bollocks...

People who do vote under the current system are the problem, the fact we cant have a 'none of the above' option is the problem....people who vote 'tactically' are part of the problem (these boards where littered with disaffected Labourites voting Lib-Dem to keep the Tories out election before last - how did that work out for them ?).

Usually, but it really does depend on the dictator in question and where you are in relation to the balance of power. Dictatorships often succeed because of their ability to bring stability and security to otherwise troubled regions.

I wouldn't say Russia has been wildly improved by Democracy for example. Its generally true, that democracy tends towards avoiding tyranny, but its not entirely true.

Our political system is one of ensuring 'a reliable corporate friendly continuity and pacification of threats to the system'.

Of course it has, maybe not by much but certainly better than the days of the Soviet Union for more of its population.

A Dictatorship generally is run on the basis of fear so in that respect whether the dictator attaches the electrodes to the nipples rather than the bollocks of his political opponents because it hurts a little bit less is pretty moot.

Edited by The Sash (01 Dec 2015 1.42pm)

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 01 Dec 15 1.37pm
Quote Boooo at 27 Nov 2015 8.04pm Whatever the right or wrongs in people's eyes, i have never voted in the near 32 years i've been allowed. I have an opinion and because of that, i just don't vote. I don't even want to protest vote, i personally see no point in it. Anyhow. I have received a numerous letters from my local Council culminating in a warning of an £80 fine if i refuse to register. Having had a letter from the same Council telling me that if i didn't register, i would lose my right to vote, a fact i accepted until today. Does anyone know if i can refuse outright, even have the right to refuse? I'm not after the right and wrongs of not voting, just validity of my question. Cheers. But in a way you have voted for the past 32 years. you have voted not to vote. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 01 Dec 15 1.37pm

Quote Boooo at 27 Nov 2015 8.04pm

Whatever the right or wrongs in people's eyes, i have never voted in the near 32 years i've been allowed. I have an opinion and because of that, i just don't vote. I don't even want to protest vote, i personally see no point in it.
Anyhow. I have received a numerous letters from my local Council culminating in a warning of an £80 fine if i refuse to register. Having had a letter from the same Council telling me that if i didn't register, i would lose my right to vote, a fact i accepted until today.
Does anyone know if i can refuse outright, even have the right to refuse?

I'm not after the right and wrongs of not voting, just validity of my question.

Cheers.

But in a way you have voted for the past 32 years. you have voted not to vote.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 01 Dec 15 1.43pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm Quote bexleydave at 29 Nov 2015 12.50pm Quote Cucking Funt at 29 Nov 2015 12.25pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Nov 2015 9.04pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Nov 2015 10.29am Quote becky at 27 Nov 2015 8.59pm You are not legally required to register to vote, but your local authority has the right to impose a penalty on you if you fail to do so:- [Link] Now, how bonkers is that?...... That is a bit strange? But as Kermit quite rightly points out, places like Burma highlight how lucky we are to have our system of voting, yet some people don't appreciate it.... that is the strangest thing. Our system of voting is an improvement on Burma, definitely, it returns one of two parties, in my lifetime of 44 years, that have prioritised business interests over that of voters, and essentially rigged the electorial boundaries to their own favour, in a system where one party can return 8% of the vote, and win 12 seats, whilst a party that polls 18% of the vote wins one seat. So appreciate it, not really, its not really a democracy when only about 60% of the votes actually matter. True. And if you're a Tory living in a safe Labour seat or vice versa, your vote is effectively valueless. Except, of course, to show that only 24% of those eligible to vote actually voted for the current government. Presumably the other 76% wanted something else? The worrying thing isn't those of the 76% who vote Liberal Democrat or Labour, its that block that voted for something different, who other than a Green MP and a UKIP MP, have no representation in parliament at all. Indeed - The Green and UKIP vote is woefully underrepresented whilst the SNP are hugely over represented despite getting a significantly lower vote share - shows the idiocy of the system As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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The Sash

Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 01 Dec 15 1.43pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Nov 2015 1.56pm

Quote bexleydave at 29 Nov 2015 12.50pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 29 Nov 2015 12.25pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Nov 2015 9.04pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Nov 2015 10.29am

Quote becky at 27 Nov 2015 8.59pm

You are not legally required to register to vote, but your local authority has the right to impose a penalty on you if you fail to do so:-

[Link]

Now, how bonkers is that?......

That is a bit strange?

But as Kermit quite rightly points out, places like Burma highlight how lucky we are to have our system of voting, yet some people don't appreciate it.... that is the strangest thing.

Our system of voting is an improvement on Burma, definitely, it returns one of two parties, in my lifetime of 44 years, that have prioritised business interests over that of voters, and essentially rigged the electorial boundaries to their own favour, in a system where one party can return 8% of the vote, and win 12 seats, whilst a party that polls 18% of the vote wins one seat.

So appreciate it, not really, its not really a democracy when only about 60% of the votes actually matter.

True. And if you're a Tory living in a safe Labour seat or vice versa, your vote is effectively valueless.

Except, of course, to show that only 24% of those eligible to vote actually voted for the current government. Presumably the other 76% wanted something else?

The worrying thing isn't those of the 76% who vote Liberal Democrat or Labour, its that block that voted for something different, who other than a Green MP and a UKIP MP, have no representation in parliament at all.

Indeed - The Green and UKIP vote is woefully underrepresented whilst the SNP are hugely over represented despite getting a significantly lower vote share - shows the idiocy of the system

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Lyons550 Shirley 02 Dec 15 7.03am
Quote Boooo at 29 Nov 2015 8.51pm Cheers to those that offered sensible advice. I signed the register anyhow but some of the questions are Big Brother! Wanting my email, home number, mobile etc! Boc's, i only signed because my Mrs didn't eventually want the £80 turning into bailiff £100's. Will still never vote, no matter who has a vote, what country has a vote or how i'm entitled. This government obviously despise people without money, the poor, the elderly and worst of all, the disabled. This and most other Tory governments look down from their millionaire, nee billionaire (in some cases) ivory towers with such ill against the above mentioned that it makes me feel ill. Luckily the Lords still have some moral courage to stand up to these fcukers, although not for very much longer if Cameron gets his way. Anyhow, cheers. Jel The main reason for that bud is the fact they need to save money wherever they can...printing costs as much as anything else. Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy but I know your stance on this stuff all too well so undertstand your retisence The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Quote Boooo at 29 Nov 2015 8.51pm

Cheers to those that offered sensible advice. I signed the register anyhow but some of the questions are Big Brother! Wanting my email, home number, mobile etc! Boc's, i only signed because my Mrs didn't eventually want the £80 turning into bailiff £100's.

Will still never vote, no matter who has a vote, what country has a vote or how i'm entitled.

This government obviously despise people without money, the poor, the elderly and worst of all, the disabled.
This and most other Tory governments look down from their millionaire, nee billionaire (in some cases) ivory towers with such ill against the above mentioned that it makes me feel ill.
Luckily the Lords still have some moral courage to stand up to these fcukers, although not for very much longer if Cameron gets his way.

Anyhow, cheers.

Jel

The main reason for that bud is the fact they need to save money wherever they can...printing costs as much as anything else. Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy but I know your stance on this stuff all too well so undertstand your retisence

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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