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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Oct 15 11.33am | |
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Quote gambler at 21 Oct 2015 11.27am
I predict a riot. I can see this being another 'poll tax' for the Conservative Party if they're not careful. Its not even that popular within their own party, and the outcome isn't going to go down well with a lot of those who a) didn't vote conservative b) are on the receiving end of the cuts. They could have gone a long way by forcing large corporations to pay a living wage, and then cutting tax credits. I see that the outcome of the government will be to force people into working and being worse off than on benefits, whilst those employing them can benefit from cheap wages. The democratic choice of 'do what we say or starve' Still we'll see what happens.
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Quote gambler at 21 Oct 2015 11.27am
I predict a riot.
Police funding and numbers cut to the bone..... That's both an extreme and slightly paranoid take on it, I admit. But measured against a government determined to cosy-up to Beijing and turn a blind-eye to their abuses, determined to push through a measure that has met sustained cross-party opposition by heavy handed measures and undemocratic threats and so compromised in it's relationship with Big Business....well, you've got to start thinking the unthinkable.
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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Oct 15 1.02pm | |
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PM lies on 'no' tax credit cuts (for low paid workers with kids) on Question Time totally exposed here in this one minute clip [Link]
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 21 Oct 15 2.08pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Oct 2015 9.27am
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 20 Oct 2015 7.26pm
The House of Lords could be suspended or flooded with Tory peers if it takes the 'nuclear option' of killing off George Osborne’s tax credits cuts next week, government sources have warned. Furious Conservatives are threatening retaliation if peers decide to take the unprecedented step of using a so-called ‘fatal motion’ to wreck the Chancellor’s plans to slash the welfare bill. Their warning comes after we revealed that a cross-party group of peers was set to table a 'fatal motion' to scupper the statutory instrument needed to clear the way for the cuts to come into force next April. On Monday evening the Treasury also took further steps to face down its critics, releasing analysis which it said showed Osborne's welfare reforms have saved the taxpayer £15bn a year. Crossbencher Baroness Meacher, seen as the most likely leader of the revolt in the Lords, said today that there was wide-ranging concern over the impact the tax credits changes would have on large numbers of families earning low wages. 'Fatal motions' are used very rarely as unelected peers are wary of overstepping their powers to delay an elected government’s legislation. Campaigners believe that the usual Salisbury convention, which stops the Lords from blocking a party’s plans, does not apply because the tax credits cuts were not mentioned in the Tory manifesto in May. But a fatal motion on a financial matter would be unprecedented and Tory sources are determined that the Lords would have to pay a serious political price if the Government is defeated next week. “If they do this, they will turn this from being a matter about tax credits into a huge constitutional issue of the Lords’ powers,” one insider said. One option is to simply suspend the Lords’ entire business, and process bills purely through the Commons, while another is to draft a list of new Tory peers to allow the party to get its business through the upper chamber. SOURCE: Huffington Post This goes so close to being fascism as to make no difference. I'm just surprised it's so blatent. Democracy in action, do as we say or we will make you. Love it. Remember democracy is a five second action every 1825 days, to choose which group of s**ts you want to dictate your life.
Its a smoke and mirrors exercise nothing more. An illusion, there are simply greater or lesser degrees of totalitarianism...some at the point of a gun, some under the screen of supposed democratic process....all amount to the same thing. One bunch of dogmatic, ideological, morally bankrupt vested interests manipulating, socially engineering and ultimately controlling you for the benefit of themselves and others..
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DanH SW2 21 Oct 15 2.10pm | |
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Quote The Sash at 21 Oct 2015 2.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Oct 2015 9.27am
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 20 Oct 2015 7.26pm
The House of Lords could be suspended or flooded with Tory peers if it takes the 'nuclear option' of killing off George Osborne’s tax credits cuts next week, government sources have warned. Furious Conservatives are threatening retaliation if peers decide to take the unprecedented step of using a so-called ‘fatal motion’ to wreck the Chancellor’s plans to slash the welfare bill. Their warning comes after we revealed that a cross-party group of peers was set to table a 'fatal motion' to scupper the statutory instrument needed to clear the way for the cuts to come into force next April. On Monday evening the Treasury also took further steps to face down its critics, releasing analysis which it said showed Osborne's welfare reforms have saved the taxpayer £15bn a year. Crossbencher Baroness Meacher, seen as the most likely leader of the revolt in the Lords, said today that there was wide-ranging concern over the impact the tax credits changes would have on large numbers of families earning low wages. 'Fatal motions' are used very rarely as unelected peers are wary of overstepping their powers to delay an elected government’s legislation. Campaigners believe that the usual Salisbury convention, which stops the Lords from blocking a party’s plans, does not apply because the tax credits cuts were not mentioned in the Tory manifesto in May. But a fatal motion on a financial matter would be unprecedented and Tory sources are determined that the Lords would have to pay a serious political price if the Government is defeated next week. “If they do this, they will turn this from being a matter about tax credits into a huge constitutional issue of the Lords’ powers,” one insider said. One option is to simply suspend the Lords’ entire business, and process bills purely through the Commons, while another is to draft a list of new Tory peers to allow the party to get its business through the upper chamber. SOURCE: Huffington Post This goes so close to being fascism as to make no difference. I'm just surprised it's so blatent. Democracy in action, do as we say or we will make you. Love it. Remember democracy is a five second action every 1825 days, to choose which group of s**ts you want to dictate your life.
Its a smoke and mirrors exercise nothing more. An illusion, there are simply greater or lesser degrees of totalitarianism...some at the point of a gun, some under the screen of supposed democratic process....all amount to the same thing. One bunch of dogmatic, ideological, morally bankrupt vested interests manipulating, socially engineering and ultimately controlling you for the benefit of themselves and others..
Edited by DanH (21 Oct 2015 2.11pm)
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 21 Oct 15 2.43pm | |
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Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 2.10pm
Quote The Sash at 21 Oct 2015 2.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Oct 2015 9.27am
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 20 Oct 2015 7.26pm
The House of Lords could be suspended or flooded with Tory peers if it takes the 'nuclear option' of killing off George Osborne’s tax credits cuts next week, government sources have warned. Furious Conservatives are threatening retaliation if peers decide to take the unprecedented step of using a so-called ‘fatal motion’ to wreck the Chancellor’s plans to slash the welfare bill. Their warning comes after we revealed that a cross-party group of peers was set to table a 'fatal motion' to scupper the statutory instrument needed to clear the way for the cuts to come into force next April. On Monday evening the Treasury also took further steps to face down its critics, releasing analysis which it said showed Osborne's welfare reforms have saved the taxpayer £15bn a year. Crossbencher Baroness Meacher, seen as the most likely leader of the revolt in the Lords, said today that there was wide-ranging concern over the impact the tax credits changes would have on large numbers of families earning low wages. 'Fatal motions' are used very rarely as unelected peers are wary of overstepping their powers to delay an elected government’s legislation. Campaigners believe that the usual Salisbury convention, which stops the Lords from blocking a party’s plans, does not apply because the tax credits cuts were not mentioned in the Tory manifesto in May. But a fatal motion on a financial matter would be unprecedented and Tory sources are determined that the Lords would have to pay a serious political price if the Government is defeated next week. “If they do this, they will turn this from being a matter about tax credits into a huge constitutional issue of the Lords’ powers,” one insider said. One option is to simply suspend the Lords’ entire business, and process bills purely through the Commons, while another is to draft a list of new Tory peers to allow the party to get its business through the upper chamber. SOURCE: Huffington Post This goes so close to being fascism as to make no difference. I'm just surprised it's so blatent. Democracy in action, do as we say or we will make you. Love it. Remember democracy is a five second action every 1825 days, to choose which group of s**ts you want to dictate your life.
Its a smoke and mirrors exercise nothing more. An illusion, there are simply greater or lesser degrees of totalitarianism...some at the point of a gun, some under the screen of supposed democratic process....all amount to the same thing. One bunch of dogmatic, ideological, morally bankrupt vested interests manipulating, socially engineering and ultimately controlling you for the benefit of themselves and others..
Edited by DanH (21 Oct 2015 2.11pm) Its not your vorsprung durch technique you know.....
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