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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Oct 15 4.01pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Oct 2015 7.42am
Pupil numbers growing. Record numbers of teachers leaving (49100) last year. Good work Gove and Morgan
Edited by Tom-the-eagle (15 Oct 2015 6.37pm) Ignoring the fact of an 'open door immigration policy' doesn't exist (presumably you mean the EU freedom of movement) for the moment. Yes, they are the people responsible, as they're in charge of education and part of the British government. Blaming the migrants, is a cop out. EU legistlation is a part of the UK government commitments, which they are required to fulfill and facilitate. Its not like this is a new policy either, its around 10 years old. If they wanted to fund education and teaching they could have, just as New Labour could have done something, but in reality they do what all governments of my lifetime have done in regard to Education, nothing of substance, and a lot of posturing and posing, and then make sure the results of exams are 'high' (after all the business of universities is now hungry for tuition fees). Labour were s**t on education, and the Conservatives have been no better. Neither really care, they want your vote, and will do what business interests tell them they want, and get you to blame the 'Jews'.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Oct 15 4.03pm | |
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Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm
Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed.
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matt_himself Matataland 16 Oct 15 4.17pm | |
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Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. Well, people do. Anything else I can assist you with?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Oct 15 4.19pm | |
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Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. Well, people do. Anything else I can assist you with? Yes, those people are being shafted as well, as are teachers. Not really sure what your point was in the first place.
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Stuk Top half 16 Oct 15 4.56pm | |
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Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.
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matt_himself Matataland 16 Oct 15 5.12pm | |
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Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.
And there is your answer Jamie.
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DanH SW2 16 Oct 15 5.18pm | |
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Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.
And there is your answer Jamie.
I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance.
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Boooo 16 Oct 15 5.57pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 1.38pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 15 Oct 2015 1.55pm
So this is Labour telling the government it's all their fault when they were in power for 13 years Why are teachers really leaving ? I'd say because they're being driven out by two major factors, of which both The Conservative and Labour governments have been guilty of. 1) Over extended responsibilities in terms of work. Teachers have a ridiculous work load, especially in terms of fulfilling paper work requirements created by issue 2 2) The politicization of Teaching. Since the 80s revamp of education, there has been an increasingly subversion of the idea of teaching as a means of education, towards the idea of teaching as a means of political campaigning, resulting in lower engagement for teachers in actual education, higher emphasis of schools and councils on exam results and increasing beauracracy for teachers. Most teachers will finish working between 8-10pm most nights during the week, if they're lucky (which results in the next issue 3) The hours. Teachers hours are f**king absurd, with the 10 hour day being normal during term time (bear in mind some teachers won't get paid for periods of school holidays). Meanwhile the actual qualification standard for teaching is very high, and often on a par with postgraduate achievements. Whilst teaching pay isn't particularly bad, it is when a) you count the hours required by ofsted, marking, lesson preparation and so on. Secondly, the private market offers a vast potential of assorting teaching and training alternatives, often for less hours, more money and flexible holiday as well as more stimulation. You can earn 30k a teacher, working 50-60 hours a week, with fixed holidays, with a post graduate qualification, degree and years of experience. Or you can earn 300 a day as a trainer for a private company, enjoy working with small groups of adults who want to learn, rather than 30 hormone filled f**ktards who think they're special. 4) Stimulation - The politicization of education has essentially reduced a teacher to the role of someone who instructs based on a set national ciriculum. The freedom to 'inspire and engage intellectually with the task of teaching' has been reduced to an absolute minimum. Indeed teaching, is increasingly about 'Tables and funding' not educating children, and that is a tragedy. I was talking to someone about you last night Jamie, not a slight on you but an observation about how you structure your answers and views. The above is one of your best. This post was never about trying to blow smoke up Nick's arse but to highlight why, as he says, teachers are leaving the profession in Goves. (i thank you).
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matt_himself Matataland 16 Oct 15 6.53pm | |
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Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.
And there is your answer Jamie.
I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance. What has it got to do with you? If people choose to work more hours than the norm, then let them. And what exactly is 'work/life balance'? Sitting around watching Netflixs and eating nachos after work? Is that 'life'?
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 16 Oct 15 7.09pm | |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 15 Oct 2015 6.36pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Oct 2015 7.42am
Pupil numbers growing. Record numbers of teachers leaving (49100) last year. Good work Gove and Morgan
Edited by Tom-the-eagle (15 Oct 2015 6.37pm) Ignoring the fact of an 'open door immigration policy' doesn't exist (presumably you mean the EU freedom of movement) for the moment. Yes, they are the people responsible, as they're in charge of education and part of the British government. Blaming the migrants, is a cop out. EU legistlation is a part of the UK government commitments, which they are required to fulfill and facilitate. Its not like this is a new policy either, its around 10 years old. If they wanted to fund education and teaching they could have, just as New Labour could have done something, but in reality they do what all governments of my lifetime have done in regard to Education, nothing of substance, and a lot of posturing and posing, and then make sure the results of exams are 'high' (after all the business of universities is now hungry for tuition fees). Labour were s**t on education, and the Conservatives have been no better. Neither really care, they want your vote, and will do what business interests tell them they want, and get you to blame the 'Jews'.
As my earlier post states, over half my daughters school are now Eastern European kids. Lovely kids, have nothing against them etc, however more kids means more school places means more teachers.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 15 7.13pm | |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 16 Oct 2015 7.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.01pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 15 Oct 2015 6.36pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Oct 2015 7.42am
Pupil numbers growing. Record numbers of teachers leaving (49100) last year. Good work Gove and Morgan
Edited by Tom-the-eagle (15 Oct 2015 6.37pm) Ignoring the fact of an 'open door immigration policy' doesn't exist (presumably you mean the EU freedom of movement) for the moment. Yes, they are the people responsible, as they're in charge of education and part of the British government. Blaming the migrants, is a cop out. EU legistlation is a part of the UK government commitments, which they are required to fulfill and facilitate. Its not like this is a new policy either, its around 10 years old. If they wanted to fund education and teaching they could have, just as New Labour could have done something, but in reality they do what all governments of my lifetime have done in regard to Education, nothing of substance, and a lot of posturing and posing, and then make sure the results of exams are 'high' (after all the business of universities is now hungry for tuition fees). Labour were s**t on education, and the Conservatives have been no better. Neither really care, they want your vote, and will do what business interests tell them they want, and get you to blame the 'Jews'.
As my earlier post states, over half my daughters school are now Eastern European kids. Lovely kids, have nothing against them etc, however more kids means more school places means more teachers.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 16 Oct 15 7.17pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 7.13pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 16 Oct 2015 7.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.01pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 15 Oct 2015 6.36pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Oct 2015 7.42am
Pupil numbers growing. Record numbers of teachers leaving (49100) last year. Good work Gove and Morgan
Edited by Tom-the-eagle (15 Oct 2015 6.37pm) Ignoring the fact of an 'open door immigration policy' doesn't exist (presumably you mean the EU freedom of movement) for the moment. Yes, they are the people responsible, as they're in charge of education and part of the British government. Blaming the migrants, is a cop out. EU legistlation is a part of the UK government commitments, which they are required to fulfill and facilitate. Its not like this is a new policy either, its around 10 years old. If they wanted to fund education and teaching they could have, just as New Labour could have done something, but in reality they do what all governments of my lifetime have done in regard to Education, nothing of substance, and a lot of posturing and posing, and then make sure the results of exams are 'high' (after all the business of universities is now hungry for tuition fees). Labour were s**t on education, and the Conservatives have been no better. Neither really care, they want your vote, and will do what business interests tell them they want, and get you to blame the 'Jews'.
As my earlier post states, over half my daughters school are now Eastern European kids. Lovely kids, have nothing against them etc, however more kids means more school places means more teachers.
Point taken Nick, but there has always been natural wastage in the profession, just like any other profession, with people leaving and coming back etc, is it really any different to say 10 or 20 years ago?
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