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 dannyh  wherever I lay my hat....... 02 Oct 15 2.20pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 1.06pm
Boy takes alarm clock to school and the response is 'we must do something immediately...' God bless America
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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) we are in total agreement. A school shooting with out the means to shoot, becomes a play ground punch up, except it probably doesnt as in my view using weapons on unarmed people is cowardice, so any one who would use a gun, without one becomes an utter pussy hole.| Stuk Top half 02 Oct 15 2.21pm |
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Quote twist at 02 Oct 2015 2.16pm
Obama states this as his biggest frustration/disappointment in office. Failure to bring about meaningful gun control reforms. But any member of congress who tries to do something, or even votes on some sort of change, is immediately targetted for removed by the NRA and other similar groups.
I thought the President can make executive orders too? on matters of Homeland Security. This problem would seem to fall under that. Edited by Stuk (02 Oct 2015 2.21pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Oct 15 2.52pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 2.21pm
Quote twist at 02 Oct 2015 2.16pm
Obama states this as his biggest frustration/disappointment in office. Failure to bring about meaningful gun control reforms. But any member of congress who tries to do something, or even votes on some sort of change, is immediately targetted for removed by the NRA and other similar groups.
I thought the President can make executive orders too? on matters of Homeland Security. This problem would seem to fall under that. Edited by Stuk (02 Oct 2015 2.21pm) Homeland security - Interestingly, white supremacists have killed more people in the US since 9/11 than Islamic terrorists. Less than 30 US citizens die as a result of terrorism each year since 2001, and that includes Iraq and Afghanistan (but not the military). There are between 10-12,000 gun deaths in the US each year, which contributes to around 13,000 murders. Neither law enforcement or gun control receives anywhere near the level of commitment, resources and spending that Homeland Security does, despite having epidemic proportions.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Oct 15 2.57pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 2.21pm
Quote twist at 02 Oct 2015 2.16pm
Obama states this as his biggest frustration/disappointment in office. Failure to bring about meaningful gun control reforms. But any member of congress who tries to do something, or even votes on some sort of change, is immediately targetted for removed by the NRA and other similar groups.
I thought the President can make executive orders too? on matters of Homeland Security. This problem would seem to fall under that. Edited by Stuk (02 Oct 2015 2.21pm) Especially a second term president. Then again heart disease, cancer and diabetes results in around 1.2m deaths per year in the US, and they still pay vast subsidies to the Fructose Syrup and sugar pumping food industry.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Oct 15 3.06pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Oct 2015 2.57pm
Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 2.21pm
Quote twist at 02 Oct 2015 2.16pm
Obama states this as his biggest frustration/disappointment in office. Failure to bring about meaningful gun control reforms. But any member of congress who tries to do something, or even votes on some sort of change, is immediately targetted for removed by the NRA and other similar groups.
I thought the President can make executive orders too? on matters of Homeland Security. This problem would seem to fall under that. Edited by Stuk (02 Oct 2015 2.21pm) Especially a second term president. Then again heart disease, cancer and diabetes results in around 1.2m deaths per year in the US, and they still pay vast subsidies to the Fructose Syrup and sugar pumping food industry. That can't be forced in to people against their will though, unlike bullets.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Oct 15 4.13pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 3.06pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Oct 2015 2.57pm
Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 2.21pm
Quote twist at 02 Oct 2015 2.16pm
Obama states this as his biggest frustration/disappointment in office. Failure to bring about meaningful gun control reforms. But any member of congress who tries to do something, or even votes on some sort of change, is immediately targetted for removed by the NRA and other similar groups.
I thought the President can make executive orders too? on matters of Homeland Security. This problem would seem to fall under that. Edited by Stuk (02 Oct 2015 2.21pm) Especially a second term president. Then again heart disease, cancer and diabetes results in around 1.2m deaths per year in the US, and they still pay vast subsidies to the Fructose Syrup and sugar pumping food industry. That can't be forced in to people against their will though, unlike bullets. True, it at least takes a cynical industry and conglomerate of advertising, lobbyists and marketing to kill them. Though its quite surprising to find that there is 7.2g of Sugar in a '99% Fat Free' yogurt. The 99% fat free and healthy are in very big letters, the sugar is called 'modified maize starch', hidden away in the ingredients. Problem for society, is that Governments serve the best interests of corporations, not the people.
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| sydtheeagle England 02 Oct 15 4.14pm |
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It strikes me as somewhat ironic that many of those right wingers who howl in outrage at Corbyn and claim that we need to spend huge sums on Trident (because it's a deterrent) howl in outrage at the NRAs espousal of the right to bear arms (even though they're presumed by the right to be a deterrent.) Can you have it both ways? Either you think that violence is best addressed by the threat of violence in return, or you don't. At least those of us on the left benefit from having some consistency to our intellectual position. Edited by sydtheeagle (02 Oct 2015 4.14pm)
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| Old Chap Orpington 02 Oct 15 4.22pm |
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So the answer is more guns! The NRA argued after the cinema shooting if everyone had been armed then the nutter would have been shot before he killed as many as he did. Can you imagine a cinema full of people, in the dark, all blasting away What age do you allow school children to carry guns to school - 16? 14? How about 5 - I'm sure there are "baby" guns on sale for toddlers
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| Stuk Top half 02 Oct 15 4.32pm |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Oct 2015 4.14pm
It strikes me as somewhat ironic that many of those right wingers who howl in outrage at Corbyn and claim that we need to spend huge sums on Trident (because it's a deterrent) howl in outrage at the NRAs espousal of the right to bear arms (even though they're presumed by the right to be a deterrent.) Can you have it both ways? Either you think that violence is best addressed by the threat of violence in return, or you don't. At least those of us on the left benefit from having some consistency to our intellectual position. Edited by sydtheeagle (02 Oct 2015 4.14pm)
Being consistently naive about what having Trident achieves, or prevents, isn't a good show of intellect.
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| sydtheeagle England 02 Oct 15 4.37pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 4.32pm
Of course you can. Or would you prefer we had a military without weapons at all? Being consistently naive about what having Trident achieves, or prevents, isn't a good show of intellect. No to the first question. That is because an armed military serves many purposes other than deterrence, where some form of weaponry may be required. Trident, however, serves no purpose whatsoever other than deterrence (and enriching the pockets of defense contractors.) Since neither of those ends is, to me, worthwhile, I find it easy to justify being against it without feeling naive. There is nothing naive about arguing the position that violence is not a functional response to violence.
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Oct 15 4.39pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 4.32pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Oct 2015 4.14pm
It strikes me as somewhat ironic that many of those right wingers who howl in outrage at Corbyn and claim that we need to spend huge sums on Trident (because it's a deterrent) howl in outrage at the NRAs espousal of the right to bear arms (even though they're presumed by the right to be a deterrent.) Can you have it both ways? Either you think that violence is best addressed by the threat of violence in return, or you don't. At least those of us on the left benefit from having some consistency to our intellectual position. Edited by sydtheeagle (02 Oct 2015 4.14pm)
Being consistently naive about what having Trident achieves, or prevents, isn't a good show of intellect.
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| oldcodger 02 Oct 15 4.39pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Oct 2015 2.52pm
Quote Stuk at 02 Oct 2015 2.21pm
Quote twist at 02 Oct 2015 2.16pm
Obama states this as his biggest frustration/disappointment in office. Failure to bring about meaningful gun control reforms. But any member of congress who tries to do something, or even votes on some sort of change, is immediately targetted for removed by the NRA and other similar groups.
I thought the President can make executive orders too? on matters of Homeland Security. This problem would seem to fall under that. Edited by Stuk (02 Oct 2015 2.21pm) Homeland security - Interestingly, white supremacists have killed more people in the US since 9/11 than Islamic terrorists. Less than 30 US citizens die as a result of terrorism each year since 2001, and that includes Iraq and Afghanistan (but not the military). There are between 10-12,000 gun deaths in the US each year, which contributes to around 13,000 murders. Neither law enforcement or gun control receives anywhere near the level of commitment, resources and spending that Homeland Security does, despite having epidemic proportions. It's a joke isn't it. It doesn't fit the narrative so nothing is done. When there is a Islamic terror attack it ticks so many boxes, from aiding the erosion of due process and expanding surveillance laws at home, to much wider global ambitions. It's a tool as much as it is a problem. A lone wolf like this guy is a much bigger threat because realistically and it's unfortunate to say, but there is almost nothing you can do to stop this. Apart from tightening gun laws, which in the US of A is a laughable prospect but also something that would save thousands of lives a year.
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