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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 15 10.41am

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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Which parts of the piece are incorrect?

 

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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 10.41am

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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 15 10.42am

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Quote npn at 02 Oct 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.23am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.22am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 9.29am

Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 02 Oct 15 10.43am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 4.17pm

For the last 25 years the British political landscape has been unnaturally skewed to the right.
We've endured having multiple choice of 3 or 4 parties all to the right of centre.
Politics became simply a quest for seats in Parliament and jobs for your cronies. Choose your politics based on it's likely success at the ballot box not on it's intrinsic worth.

We now have an overt restoration of balance to the political scene. There are other values, other philosophies, other choices being offered. Whatever your feelings about the resurgance of Socialist Values within the Labour Party, it should be welcomed. The parties of the right will not be talking consensus politics anymore. Policies will be under greater Parliamentary and national scrutiny than they have for many years.

There are so many points of conflict between the agenda now set out by the new leadership and the status quo that only a fool would predict what will emerghe as the crucial ground for either side. It is fair to say though that the domestic battle will be a simple choice -like that taken recently by the Greeks- between Austerity and Social Investment.

On a personal note, I have been amazed by the generally positive response that the Labour Conference has generated amongst friends and colleagues. I was also saddened by the responses of so many of my generation of 'old'Labour supporters who have forgotten the values that inspired the movement and been swayed by post-Thatcher Personality Politics.

Even if this restored Labour Party does not gain power it will still be a force to be reckoned with and a vital counterbalance to the control which the right have over almost every facit of British life.


Actually I'm not sure that's the case RBY.

The austerity / anti-austerity argument is one that needs to be had, and I'm genuinely interested to hear what those on all sides have to say on the subject before deciding which way is the right way to go. However JC comes with so much other baggage: his views on defence, his views on the EU, Diane F**king Abbott (I can't see myself ever voting for that creature to become deputy PM and therefore leader of the country when the PM is away - genuinely terrifying).

I think the economy argument is one he may be able to get some converts for, but I'm far less likely to be swayed towards his thinking in other areas. We'll have to see what happens when he starts putting meat on the bones of his policies, but as a statesman, I'm sure most would agree that he's sh*t (which is not in itself a red line - he could get more capable people to do his negotiations etc). He seems affronted by the press, easily irritated if they ask him questions he doesn't think he should have to answer (genuine ones of import, not just the "why the hell did you sh@g Abbott? And what do you think on Cameron's porcine tendencies?", but if he genuinely wants to wield power (which I'm not sure he does) he's going to have to put up with that and give decent answers to difficult questions.

Time will tell, but I think the economic direction is just one of a number of concerns people will have.

 

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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 10.44am

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.41am

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Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.23am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.22am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 9.29am

Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 15 10.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.44am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.42am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.41am

Quote npn at 02 Oct 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.23am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.22am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 9.29am

Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.

 

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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 10.49am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.44am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.42am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.41am

Quote npn at 02 Oct 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.23am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.22am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 9.29am

Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 10.44am

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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.


Superb display of a shocking lack of self-awareness. Played mate.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 15 10.53am

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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

What in your opinion are the facts?

 

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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 4.17pm

For the last 25 years the British political landscape has been unnaturally skewed to the right.
We've endured having multiple choice of 3 or 4 parties all to the right of centre.
Politics became simply a quest for seats in Parliament and jobs for your cronies. Choose your politics based on it's likely success at the ballot box not on it's intrinsic worth.

We now have an overt restoration of balance to the political scene. There are other values, other philosophies, other choices being offered. Whatever your feelings about the resurgance of Socialist Values within the Labour Party, it should be welcomed. The parties of the right will not be talking consensus politics anymore. Policies will be under greater Parliamentary and national scrutiny than they have for many years.

There are so many points of conflict between the agenda now set out by the new leadership and the status quo that only a fool would predict what will emerghe as the crucial ground for either side. It is fair to say though that the domestic battle will be a simple choice -like that taken recently by the Greeks- between Austerity and Social Investment.

On a personal note, I have been amazed by the generally positive response that the Labour Conference has generated amongst friends and colleagues. I was also saddened by the responses of so many of my generation of 'old'Labour supporters who have forgotten the values that inspired the movement and been swayed by post-Thatcher Personality Politics.

Even if this restored Labour Party does not gain power it will still be a force to be reckoned with and a vital counterbalance to the control which the right have over almost every facit of British life.

You're talking to yourselves.

The partially sighted leading the visually impaired...


 


Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Which parts of the piece are incorrect?


Take your pick:

It doesn't really SAY anything - just "establishment bad"

There's a threatened UK military coup (seriously?) threatened, of course, by an unnamed military general

"Jeremy Corbyn looks like the first senior politician who will not be corrupted by the establishment" - how can you possibly say that and expect to be taken seriously? Like you can look at a politician and decide that everyone else in the establishment has been corrupted, but this one won't be (because he wears socks with his sandals?)

"The establishment do not want democracy at all but a veneer of democracy must be provided." - means nothing, just this bloke's opinion, based on nothing but an inherent mistrust of "the establishment"

"So frightened of Corbyn, the establishment is now mobilising their entire resourcefullness at him" - of course the media never has a go at any other politicians, only Corbyn, and it's clearly because they're scared.

It's frankly laughable (and that's from a brief skim read)

 

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Quote We are goin up! at 01 Oct 2015 11.10pm

See signature.


So whose money are the Tories spending?
As an aside, I see that Roman Abramovitch is getting 45 million from the government to help his steel industry... That'll please those in Redcar

Same old Tories practices - backdoor socialism for those already rich and with influence, whilst publicly pursuing budget cuts and austerity for everyone else.

 

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