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 aquickgame2  Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 23 Sep 15 11.56am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Sep 2015 11.29am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 10.34am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Sep 2015 10.20am
My first thoughts..... Most of the countries like Poland are two faced... it's okay for their people to be economic migrants and hordes have settled here... yet they don't want anyone in their country! What is the point of dividing up these refugees/migrants between countries? If they are accepted as EU citizens they will be free to travel wherever they want won't they? Finally, I think the amounts arriving every day is beyond acceptable and Europe cannot cope. Our borders need re-instating asap. Why is it deemed Europe's problem? These are middle eastern and African people. Other continents can share the load. Only once citizenship has been granted. For example, if they travelled to the UK, as EU migrants, they could work, but could not claim benefits until they had completed a number of years in employment (from three to five dependent on the benefits). Also the EU isn't talking about taking every single refuge, we're talking about a percentage of the 5m or so Syrian refugees. Its not as if the EU countries are the only place people are turning up. Lebanon has 1m refugees in a population of 4m.
It makes more sense for them to go to Lebanon than Europe. Chris Lots of paper talk but when it comes to it,bottom line is nobody in the other Middle east countries want them and are very happy that they are moving to Europe.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ?
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| aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 23 Sep 15 12.10pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 15 12.58pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Sep 2015 11.29am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 10.34am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Sep 2015 10.20am
My first thoughts..... Most of the countries like Poland are two faced... it's okay for their people to be economic migrants and hordes have settled here... yet they don't want anyone in their country! What is the point of dividing up these refugees/migrants between countries? If they are accepted as EU citizens they will be free to travel wherever they want won't they? Finally, I think the amounts arriving every day is beyond acceptable and Europe cannot cope. Our borders need re-instating asap. Why is it deemed Europe's problem? These are middle eastern and African people. Other continents can share the load. Only once citizenship has been granted. For example, if they travelled to the UK, as EU migrants, they could work, but could not claim benefits until they had completed a number of years in employment (from three to five dependent on the benefits). Also the EU isn't talking about taking every single refuge, we're talking about a percentage of the 5m or so Syrian refugees. Its not as if the EU countries are the only place people are turning up. Lebanon has 1m refugees in a population of 4m.
It makes more sense for them to go to Lebanon than Europe. That's an argument against Economic migration and the EU Right to Work (Which should never have been accepted) - I don't see how its an argument against accepting refugees. What we're seeing in many cases is people who've been in the camps for a period of time, or have sufficient money to pay traffickers, headed into Europe. They have to go somewhere, just ignoring the problem will just mean more trafficking. How long do you think a country like Lebanon will be able to cope with an additional 25% population swell from Refugees - and how long after that goes wrong that those 1m people look for somewhere else to go.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Sep 15 12.58pm |
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Quote aquickgame2 at 23 Sep 2015 9.00am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Sep 2015 10.09pm
I genuinely despair when I look at this site sometimes.
What I am doing is organising collections across my local schools for books, pens and paper etc to send to schools that have been set up in camps. Anyone who wants to donate can contact me via pm.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 15 1.01pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ? Because they're presently in the EU. I believe that the UNHCR are trying to locate refugees to numerous countries. Isn't something like 250-300,000 believed to have made it into the EU, and we're all hissy about it being unfair, whilst Turkey has half a million, Lebanon has 1m and Jordan another half a million.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 15 1.03pm |
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I like the idea that the Western nations should just 'wash their hands' of the problem, and let them go live in the camps for decades, or go back to Syria. I mean neither of these options would in anyway end up bolstering IS and related terrorist groups at all.
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| rob1969 Banstead Surrey 23 Sep 15 1.04pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 23 Sep 2015 9.04am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Sep 2015 10.09pm
I genuinely despair when I look at this site sometimes.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Sep 15 1.09pm |
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Quote aquickgame2 at 23 Sep 2015 12.10pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ?
They ? You mean their government or their people ? I think you will find that most people don't want them in Europe either. Only a noisy minority as usual. If you believe that Britain should take some responsibility for these refugees then you must also believe that everyone else should too.
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nairb75  Baltimore 23 Sep 15 1.11pm |
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Quote Jimenez at 22 Sep 2015 9.32pm
Isn't it rather strange that none of them want to relocate to Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait Etc.
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| aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 23 Sep 15 1.16pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 1.09pm
Quote aquickgame2 at 23 Sep 2015 12.10pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ?
They ? You mean their government or their people ? I think you will find that most people don't want them in Europe either. Only a noisy minority as usual. If you believe that Britain should take some responsibility for these refugees then you must also believe that everyone else should too. The Government and the majority of the people do not want the Syrians.
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Sep 15 1.18pm |
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Quote nairb75 at 23 Sep 2015 1.11pm
Quote Jimenez at 22 Sep 2015 9.32pm
Isn't it rather strange that none of them want to relocate to Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait Etc.
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