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I suppose one good thing is the judge dished out lengthy sentences, most of the time you get liberal judges who see these people as victims and go soft
A paedophile is a bad thing whatever their colour, creed and religion - the police should treat them all the same Exactly how I feel. The shame of the Rochester and Oxford cases is that of the Social Services and Police Forces failures, no matter how many people would like to make it about 'race and their Islamophobia'. But in fairness Jamie,it was about race. It was about authority not wanting to be accused of racism. In one instance it could perhaps be overlooked but there were a half dozen similar cases in different towns if memory serves. That isn't the problem though is it. It was presented as being about Muslim men being pedophiles, rather than the Social Services failure to do anything about protecting children - and that's how it got played out, in the posts and right wing propaganda. The actual ire seemed to be spent more on the fact they were Muslim, than against the failure of the social services and police. This is a case where no one wants to just tell the truth. Yes they were mostly pakistani Muslims. Yes Social Services and Police were woefully ineffectual at discovering the crimes and it is strongly implicated that the race of the perpetrators had an impact on the minds and acrtions of the authorities. Is there really anything to disagree about here ? It is inevitable that when, specifically, young white girls are abused by people of one specific ethnic background in numerous separate instances, that people will ask if there is a pattern to it.
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| cornwalls palace Torpoint 13 Sep 15 7.12pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 12.42pm
You aren't reducing this to a who's the more perverted contest are you Maple ? Legged' is enthusiastically pointing out what we already suspect. Even so, he would have been better off leaving it alone. It is a sign of the times that people at the far ends of the scale are so at odds with each other and this country and are prepared to use any ammunition to present their case. One thing it does demonstrate is that immigration has created a number of fractures in our society and that is something that some warned about long ago. They were ignored in the name of commerce and money saving. On the topic itself. One does wonder what has gone wrong with society when it can produce people so devoid of morality and consideration for others like these disgusting individuals.
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I suppose one good thing is the judge dished out lengthy sentences, most of the time you get liberal judges who see these people as victims and go soft
A paedophile is a bad thing whatever their colour, creed and religion - the police should treat them all the same Exactly how I feel. The shame of the Rochester and Oxford cases is that of the Social Services and Police Forces failures, no matter how many people would like to make it about 'race and their Islamophobia'. But in fairness Jamie,it was about race. It was about authority not wanting to be accused of racism. In one instance it could perhaps be overlooked but there were a half dozen similar cases in different towns if memory serves. That isn't the problem though is it. It was presented as being about Muslim men being pedophiles, rather than the Social Services failure to do anything about protecting children - and that's how it got played out, in the posts and right wing propaganda. The actual ire seemed to be spent more on the fact they were Muslim, than against the failure of the social services and police. This is a case where no one wants to just tell the truth. Yes they were mostly pakistani Muslims. Yes Social Services and Police were woefully ineffectual at discovering the crimes and it is strongly implicated that the race of the perpetrators had an impact on the minds and acrtions of the authorities. Is there really anything to disagree about here ? It is inevitable that when, specifically, young white girls are abused by people of one specific ethnic background in numerous separate instances, that people will ask if there is a pattern to it. Ok, I get that, but so why hasn't that been the case with this group? Because White Christian British Pedo gang doesn't sell copy. I have no problem with the idea of investigating associations with child sex offences in different community and cultures, nor with the truth. What I don't agree with is using that as a means of 'tainting' whole sections of society who have done nothing wrong themselves. Which is what groups on the right and media did, they made a huge emphasis on their nationality and their religion. No one even seem to question that the copout of 'fear of racism' is the same bollocks as 'aura of celebrity' with the Savile scandal, and no doubt fear of 'the power of politics'.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 12.42pm
You aren't reducing this to a who's the more perverted contest are you Maple ? Legged' is enthusiastically pointing out what we already suspect. Even so, he would have been better off leaving it alone. It is a sign of the times that people at the far ends of the scale are so at odds with each other and this country and are prepared to use any ammunition to present their case. One thing it does demonstrate is that immigration has created a number of fractures in our society and that is something that some warned about long ago. They were ignored in the name of commerce and money saving. On the topic itself. One does wonder what has gone wrong with society when it can produce people so devoid of morality and consideration for others like these disgusting individuals.
Indeed we just care more now. Seems back in the old days, as long as you didn't abuse the wrong peoples kids, it was all kept on the quiet.
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Quote BarEagle at 13 Sep 2015 4.20pm
You can't blame social services for cultural failings. What does that actually mean? You certainly can blame social services for failing to perform their job.
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| bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 14 Sep 15 10.40am |
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Who gives a feck about the politics of this. Hang the b******s.
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Quote bubble wrap at 14 Sep 2015 10.40am
Who gives a feck about the politics of this. Hang the b******s.
A paedophile is a paedophile and punishment should be universal to all offenders, extreme enough to deter perverts from even looking at child p***. let alone indulge in the practice themselves.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote bubble wrap at 14 Sep 2015 10.40am
Who gives a feck about the politics of this. Hang the b******s.
A paedophile is a paedophile and punishment should be universal to all offenders, extreme enough to deter perverts from even looking at child p***. let alone indulge in the practice themselves. Unless of course you can afford the best legal defence money can buy Re- Pete Townsend.....
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote bubble wrap at 14 Sep 2015 10.40am
Who gives a feck about the politics of this. Hang the b******s.
A paedophile is a paedophile and punishment should be universal to all offenders, extreme enough to deter perverts from even looking at child p***. let alone indulge in the practice themselves. Echo's my sentiment - apart from the hang the b******s (being against capital punishment). That said, I don't really have any sympathy for child sex offenders who experience some 'community justice'.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Sep 2015 9.26am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 4.20pm
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Quote Pussay Patrol at 12 Sep 2015 10.06am
I suppose one good thing is the judge dished out lengthy sentences, most of the time you get liberal judges who see these people as victims and go soft
A paedophile is a bad thing whatever their colour, creed and religion - the police should treat them all the same Exactly how I feel. The shame of the Rochester and Oxford cases is that of the Social Services and Police Forces failures, no matter how many people would like to make it about 'race and their Islamophobia'. But in fairness Jamie,it was about race. It was about authority not wanting to be accused of racism. In one instance it could perhaps be overlooked but there were a half dozen similar cases in different towns if memory serves. That isn't the problem though is it. It was presented as being about Muslim men being pedophiles, rather than the Social Services failure to do anything about protecting children - and that's how it got played out, in the posts and right wing propaganda. The actual ire seemed to be spent more on the fact they were Muslim, than against the failure of the social services and police. This is a case where no one wants to just tell the truth. Yes they were mostly pakistani Muslims. Yes Social Services and Police were woefully ineffectual at discovering the crimes and it is strongly implicated that the race of the perpetrators had an impact on the minds and acrtions of the authorities. Is there really anything to disagree about here ? It is inevitable that when, specifically, young white girls are abused by people of one specific ethnic background in numerous separate instances, that people will ask if there is a pattern to it. Ok, I get that, but so why hasn't that been the case with this group? Because White Christian British Pedo gang doesn't sell copy. I have no problem with the idea of investigating associations with child sex offences in different community and cultures, nor with the truth. What I don't agree with is using that as a means of 'tainting' whole sections of society who have done nothing wrong themselves. Which is what groups on the right and media did, they made a huge emphasis on their nationality and their religion. No one even seem to question that the copout of 'fear of racism' is the same bollocks as 'aura of celebrity' with the Savile scandal, and no doubt fear of 'the power of politics'. What you say is generally true. The only concern however,should be protecting children from predators. Given that these pakistani men abused only white girls in a dozen separate examples, one would wonder if an attitude or cultural predisposition existed in that community that caused these events.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 14 Sep 2015 12.39pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 4.20pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 3.45pm
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Sep 2015 10.17am
Quote Pussay Patrol at 12 Sep 2015 10.06am
I suppose one good thing is the judge dished out lengthy sentences, most of the time you get liberal judges who see these people as victims and go soft
A paedophile is a bad thing whatever their colour, creed and religion - the police should treat them all the same Exactly how I feel. The shame of the Rochester and Oxford cases is that of the Social Services and Police Forces failures, no matter how many people would like to make it about 'race and their Islamophobia'. But in fairness Jamie,it was about race. It was about authority not wanting to be accused of racism. In one instance it could perhaps be overlooked but there were a half dozen similar cases in different towns if memory serves. That isn't the problem though is it. It was presented as being about Muslim men being pedophiles, rather than the Social Services failure to do anything about protecting children - and that's how it got played out, in the posts and right wing propaganda. The actual ire seemed to be spent more on the fact they were Muslim, than against the failure of the social services and police. This is a case where no one wants to just tell the truth. Yes they were mostly pakistani Muslims. Yes Social Services and Police were woefully ineffectual at discovering the crimes and it is strongly implicated that the race of the perpetrators had an impact on the minds and acrtions of the authorities. Is there really anything to disagree about here ? It is inevitable that when, specifically, young white girls are abused by people of one specific ethnic background in numerous separate instances, that people will ask if there is a pattern to it. Ok, I get that, but so why hasn't that been the case with this group? Because White Christian British Pedo gang doesn't sell copy. I have no problem with the idea of investigating associations with child sex offences in different community and cultures, nor with the truth. What I don't agree with is using that as a means of 'tainting' whole sections of society who have done nothing wrong themselves. Which is what groups on the right and media did, they made a huge emphasis on their nationality and their religion. No one even seem to question that the copout of 'fear of racism' is the same bollocks as 'aura of celebrity' with the Savile scandal, and no doubt fear of 'the power of politics'. What you say is generally true. The only concern however,should be protecting children from predators. Given that these pakistani men abused only white girls in a dozen separate examples, one would wonder if an attitude or cultural predisposition existed in that community that caused these events. Probably more a convenience thing, as they were typically abusing girls in care or from 'troubled backgrounds' who were 'hanging around'. Its notable that several of these men had children, but weren't abusing their own kids, or pakistani or even Indian girls. Plus to them, and maybe others, the idea of abusing white girls would be more acceptable, and that as that these girls were far more easy to groom, lure and 'seduce' than those from their own community. Its important to remember that they weren't exactly abducting these girls, but had to some degree groomed them, typically through cash, drugs, booze etc into becoming sexual slaves to their own abuse; and to recruit other likely candidates. Their success seems to be predicated on the fact they deliberately focused on 'troubled kids' and 'care kids', a group that traditionally has long been failed by the Police and Social Services. Abuse in Care Homes has for decades seemed to be considered 'acceptable' and often covered up. When care workers raised concerns, superiors wanted nothing to do with it, and the police weren't overly interested either. I feel that the Police and Social services play up the race element, because essentially they regarded these kids as the detrious of the system - they were the trouble makers for Social Services, and as such events were ignored for 'an easy life', because allowing these individuals to just get on with it (girls and predators) made for an easier life than having to constantly deal with the issues these girls generated (and in many cases, at first, it wasn't the girls that were making the complaints but employees of the homes)
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 14 Sep 2015 12.39pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 4.20pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Sep 2015 3.45pm
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Sep 2015 10.17am
Quote Pussay Patrol at 12 Sep 2015 10.06am
I suppose one good thing is the judge dished out lengthy sentences, most of the time you get liberal judges who see these people as victims and go soft
A paedophile is a bad thing whatever their colour, creed and religion - the police should treat them all the same Exactly how I feel. The shame of the Rochester and Oxford cases is that of the Social Services and Police Forces failures, no matter how many people would like to make it about 'race and their Islamophobia'. But in fairness Jamie,it was about race. It was about authority not wanting to be accused of racism. In one instance it could perhaps be overlooked but there were a half dozen similar cases in different towns if memory serves. That isn't the problem though is it. It was presented as being about Muslim men being pedophiles, rather than the Social Services failure to do anything about protecting children - and that's how it got played out, in the posts and right wing propaganda. The actual ire seemed to be spent more on the fact they were Muslim, than against the failure of the social services and police. This is a case where no one wants to just tell the truth. Yes they were mostly pakistani Muslims. Yes Social Services and Police were woefully ineffectual at discovering the crimes and it is strongly implicated that the race of the perpetrators had an impact on the minds and acrtions of the authorities. Is there really anything to disagree about here ? It is inevitable that when, specifically, young white girls are abused by people of one specific ethnic background in numerous separate instances, that people will ask if there is a pattern to it. Ok, I get that, but so why hasn't that been the case with this group? Because White Christian British Pedo gang doesn't sell copy. I have no problem with the idea of investigating associations with child sex offences in different community and cultures, nor with the truth. What I don't agree with is using that as a means of 'tainting' whole sections of society who have done nothing wrong themselves. Which is what groups on the right and media did, they made a huge emphasis on their nationality and their religion. No one even seem to question that the copout of 'fear of racism' is the same bollocks as 'aura of celebrity' with the Savile scandal, and no doubt fear of 'the power of politics'. What you say is generally true. The only concern however,should be protecting children from predators. Given that these pakistani men abused only white girls in a dozen separate examples, one would wonder if an attitude or cultural predisposition existed in that community that caused these events. What I'm trying to say, is that if they were girls from 'good' backgrounds, or pakistani or Indian families, they probably wouldn't have gotten away with it for as long as they did. Traditionally when you look at long term 'successful' child abusers or rings, they tend to always involve children in care, and often but not always carers. Its similar to how serial killers can get away with murdering hookers, but the moment they murder someone's 'daughter' the Police really start to take notice.
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