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 tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 29 Jun 15 11.11pm |
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A good article: [Link] Does seem to me to be rather hypocritical on the behalf of European leaders that debt relief or restructuring is not seen as the least worst option.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 30 Jun 15 8.19am |
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Quote tome at 29 Jun 2015 11.11pm
A good article: [Link] Does seem to me to be rather hypocritical on the behalf of European leaders that debt relief or restructuring is not seen as the least worst option. Nice to see you back in General Talk tome! I for one have missed your posts.
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dannyh  wherever I lay my hat....... 30 Jun 15 8.34am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Jun 2015 3.36pm
Its all well and good complaining about loss of sovereignty, but before they joined the EU and Euro, they were a two bob c**t of a country, ravaged by corruption and extremist politics (having had both a facist and communist government since the war). Arguably the only time the Greek economy and country has ever really been stable was in the Euro and EU. Still, a shot third world economy will likely result in a good tourist boost, if they can stop people setting fire to everything and blaming foriegners.
The European union, much like socialism, is a good idea on paper but simply does not work in reality.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 30 Jun 15 8.46am |
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Quote dannyh at 30 Jun 2015 8.34am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Jun 2015 3.36pm
Its all well and good complaining about loss of sovereignty, but before they joined the EU and Euro, they were a two bob c**t of a country, ravaged by corruption and extremist politics (having had both a facist and communist government since the war). Arguably the only time the Greek economy and country has ever really been stable was in the Euro and EU. Still, a shot third world economy will likely result in a good tourist boost, if they can stop people setting fire to everything and blaming foriegners.
The European union, much like socialism, is a good idea on paper but simply does not work in reality.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. |
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black eagle.  south croydon. 30 Jun 15 8.56am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Jun 2015 10.26am
Oh how wonderful the EU is. Oh how safe it keeps us.....No wars....Improved security. The truth is this form of the EU is a disaster zone.
Would be totally bonkers if we joined.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jun 15 9.59am |
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Quote dannyh at 30 Jun 2015 8.34am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Jun 2015 3.36pm
Its all well and good complaining about loss of sovereignty, but before they joined the EU and Euro, they were a two bob c**t of a country, ravaged by corruption and extremist politics (having had both a facist and communist government since the war). Arguably the only time the Greek economy and country has ever really been stable was in the Euro and EU. Still, a shot third world economy will likely result in a good tourist boost, if they can stop people setting fire to everything and blaming foriegners.
The European union, much like socialism, is a good idea on paper but simply does not work in reality. Well stable for Greece anyhow... The EU is problematic mostly on the basis of the political machinations of its individual components. The problem has always been what should the EU be and what shouldn't it be, has never really been discussed. Commercially the EU is a god send to anyone involved in import and export around Europe, European laws and even trading outside the EU. The ECHR presents a reasonable facilitation of an independent adjudicator on national law, that is free of political bias at a very reasonable cost. That's not to say there haven't been problems, notably the EU and Euro, but a large number of countries have in recent years found themselves in very serious economic problems - Arguably their membership of the EU often has been a boon to their ability to recover. We only tend to see the problems of the EU, for very political reasons, never its successes, my suspicion is any debate on the EU quickly spirals into ideological disagreements, rather than pragmatic ones (ie economic benefits).
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| Stuk Top half 30 Jun 15 3.20pm |
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Quote black eagle. at 30 Jun 2015 8.56am
Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Jun 2015 10.26am
Oh how wonderful the EU is. Oh how safe it keeps us.....No wars....Improved security. The truth is this form of the EU is a disaster zone.
Would be totally bonkers if we joined. I hate to break it to you but we're in the EU. The referendum is whether we stay in it or not.
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| chris123 hove actually 30 Jun 15 3.40pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 29 Jun 2015 12.38pm
I read somewhere that the IMF have raked in £2.8 billion in interest from Greece.
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| stateside Norfolk 30 Jun 15 3.42pm |
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I cant believe all the Greeks queeing to get there money out the banks , I would have had mine out months ago, and under the bed. Even the village idiot could see there would be problems one way or another.
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| Stuk Top half 30 Jun 15 3.53pm |
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Quote stateside at 30 Jun 2015 3.42pm
I cant believe all the Greeks queeing to get there money out the banks , I would have had mine out months ago, and under the bed. Even the village idiot could see there would be problems one way or another.
As for being restricted to only €60 per day, i'd take myself over the border and withdraw it all there.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 30 Jun 15 3.55pm |
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I'd have bought Pond notes or dollars as very soon the euro in Greece will be no more and it'll be back to Drachma which will be worth f*** all, and with a safe full of Pounds or dollar's you'd make a fackin killing. Edited by dannyh (30 Jun 2015 3.56pm)
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 30 Jun 15 4.07pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 29 Jun 2015 12.38pm
I read somewhere that the IMF have raked in £2.8 billion in interest from Greece.
Suddenly, given the risk involved, €2.8billion doesn't seem so much. Not exactly Wonga rates.
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