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imbored UK 11 May 15 5.23pm
Quote The Sash at 11 May 2015 4.46pm If we had a fair and representative allocation of votes to MP's then ol' Palace supporting Nigel, errm Nigel, should by rights have 81 MP's and I think that UKIP members, despite the image to the contrary, aren't as swivel eyed and loony as some would like to think. Farage strikes a chord with his key audience and they know it. I was actually surprised that he quit tbh. For me it still doesn't make then voteable, electable or less of a protest party but someone who can deliver 12% nationally for what is in essence a fringe party must be doing something right. The party that does need to change leader is the Greens. Bennett is a liability even though they should by rights have 30 ish MP's. They have an opportunity to grow and push on - currently like us under Warnock, the Greens need to find a political Alan Pardew for the next 5 years... *Well both would have MP's under a fair and representative system anyway Edited by The Sash (11 May 2015 4.48pm) Can't disagree. I favour PR regardless of who it benefits as it's the most accurate representation of the peoples will. As for Farage, regardless of individual takes on UKIP, it's clear that he's an asset to the party. As for the Greens, I'm with you in recognising that Bennett simply isn't cut out for the leadership role. They missed a good opportunity to widen their base this election.
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UK 11 May 15 5.23pm

Quote The Sash at 11 May 2015 4.46pm

If we had a fair and representative allocation of votes to MP's then ol' Palace supporting Nigel, errm Nigel, should by rights have 81 MP's and I think that UKIP members, despite the image to the contrary, aren't as swivel eyed and loony as some would like to think.

Farage strikes a chord with his key audience and they know it. I was actually surprised that he quit tbh.

For me it still doesn't make then voteable, electable or less of a protest party but someone who can deliver 12% nationally for what is in essence a fringe party must be doing something right.

The party that does need to change leader is the Greens. Bennett is a liability even though they should by rights have 30 ish MP's. They have an opportunity to grow and push on - currently like us under Warnock, the Greens need to find a political Alan Pardew for the next 5 years...

*Well both would have MP's under a fair and representative system anyway

Edited by The Sash (11 May 2015 4.48pm)

Can't disagree. I favour PR regardless of who it benefits as it's the most accurate representation of the peoples will.

As for Farage, regardless of individual takes on UKIP, it's clear that he's an asset to the party. As for the Greens, I'm with you in recognising that Bennett simply isn't cut out for the leadership role. They missed a good opportunity to widen their base this election.

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Kermit8 Hevon 11 May 15 5.24pm
The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%. Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 11 May 15 5.24pm

The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%.

Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stuk Top half 11 May 15 5.35pm
Quote npn at 11 May 2015 4.41pm Quote topcat at 11 May 2015 4.35pm "What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?" None Nige, absolutely none. Isn't that exactly the same as the Greens? And the SNP for that matter. and Plaid. And Labour if they turn to Miliband MkII. Nigel Farage is Claude Makélélé, bet he's never been compared to him before. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 11 May 15 5.35pm

Quote npn at 11 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote topcat at 11 May 2015 4.35pm

"What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?"

None Nige, absolutely none.

Isn't that exactly the same as the Greens?

And the SNP for that matter.

and Plaid.

And Labour if they turn to Miliband MkII.

Nigel Farage is Claude Makélélé, bet he's never been compared to him before.

Optimistic as ever

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derben 11 May 15 5.40pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%. Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm) What's going on Kermit, two sensible posts today. Hope for you yet.
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Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm

Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm)

What's going on Kermit, two sensible posts today. Hope for you yet.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 15 5.41pm
Quote derben at 11 May 2015 5.40pm Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%. Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm) What's going on Kermit, two sensible posts today. Hope for you yet. Rather knowing for a newbie if you ask me.
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Quote derben at 11 May 2015 5.40pm

Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm

Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm)

What's going on Kermit, two sensible posts today. Hope for you yet.

Rather knowing for a newbie if you ask me.

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Kermit8 Hevon 11 May 15 5.43pm
Quote derben at 11 May 2015 5.40pm Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%. Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm) What's going on Kermit, two sensible posts today. Hope for you yet. That makes you only two behind me. Come on. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 11 May 15 5.43pm

Quote derben at 11 May 2015 5.40pm

Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm

Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm)

What's going on Kermit, two sensible posts today. Hope for you yet.

That makes you only two behind me. Come on.

Big chest and massive boobs

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 12 May 15 9.51am
Quote npn at 11 May 2015 4.41pm Quote topcat at 11 May 2015 4.35pm "What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?" None Nige, absolutely none. Isn't that exactly the same as the Greens? And the SNP for that matter. The Greens did very well despite their leader who came across very poorly throughout the election. No idea why they didn't give the job to Lucas who seems well liked. It's interesting how we hardly ever saw Salmond during the election, probably too busy getting his supporters to troll JK Rowling and Eddie Izzard. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Quote npn at 11 May 2015 4.41pm

Quote topcat at 11 May 2015 4.35pm

"What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?"

None Nige, absolutely none.

Isn't that exactly the same as the Greens?

And the SNP for that matter.

The Greens did very well despite their leader who came across very poorly throughout the election. No idea why they didn't give the job to Lucas who seems well liked.

It's interesting how we hardly ever saw Salmond during the election, probably too busy getting his supporters to troll JK Rowling and Eddie Izzard.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 1.02pm
Quote Willo at 10 May 2015 5.35pm The name "UK Independence Party" says it all ! Their whole Raison D'Etre is for Britain to leave the UK and the controlled immigration which follows on account of not having to adhere to open borders. IF the referendum delivers an OUT verdict and immigration is controlled as they see it, what else have UKIP got ? Well there is a party called 'The Labour Party' and they managed to put a s**t load of people out of work. Whilst the traditional conservatives, turned out to be anything but conservative in their extra marital affairs. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 May 15 1.02pm

Quote Willo at 10 May 2015 5.35pm

The name "UK Independence Party" says it all ! Their whole Raison D'Etre is for Britain to leave the UK and the controlled immigration which follows on account of not having to adhere to open borders.

IF the referendum delivers an OUT verdict and immigration is controlled as they see it, what else have UKIP got ?

Well there is a party called 'The Labour Party' and they managed to put a s**t load of people out of work. Whilst the traditional conservatives, turned out to be anything but conservative in their extra marital affairs.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 1.09pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%. Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm) I think the idea of a representative democracy is that the people are represented in parliament, even if they are unpopular. Better that the BNP express themselves in Parliament than in the streets. The best example of how to destroy a party lies within the success of the BNP in winning council seats, and the abject humiliation they received as their utter failure to govern locally. Down from 50, to 2, with only 8 candidates in the general election, down from 330 last time out, and no MEP. Actually having to do something rather than shout loudly basically destroyed them. I really don't fear them having a share of seats. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 May 15 1.09pm

Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm

Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm)

I think the idea of a representative democracy is that the people are represented in parliament, even if they are unpopular.

Better that the BNP express themselves in Parliament than in the streets. The best example of how to destroy a party lies within the success of the BNP in winning council seats, and the abject humiliation they received as their utter failure to govern locally.

Down from 50, to 2, with only 8 candidates in the general election, down from 330 last time out, and no MEP. Actually having to do something rather than shout loudly basically destroyed them.

I really don't fear them having a share of seats.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 1.18pm
Shortest resignation in political history? Fair play though, he did what he said, and the party spoke out "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 May 15 1.18pm

Shortest resignation in political history?

Fair play though, he did what he said, and the party spoke out

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Johnny Eagles berlin 12 May 15 1.25pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm The problem with PR is that in the 2010 election the BNP would have won 12 seats. Not good when there is a hung Parliament or a very small majority. Their influence could have been way too disproportionate for their measly votes. 1.94%. Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm) You can solve this by putting in a 5% threshold or something (they do this in Germany) to keep out the nutters on the fringe. But maybe that only works in a more federal system. Bit harsh to stop SNP having any seats because the population of Scotland is so small relative to England. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 12 May 15 1.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 5.24pm

Edited by Kermit8 (11 May 2015 5.26pm)

You can solve this by putting in a 5% threshold or something (they do this in Germany) to keep out the nutters on the fringe.

But maybe that only works in a more federal system. Bit harsh to stop SNP having any seats because the population of Scotland is so small relative to England.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 14 May 15 2.31pm
Has the implosion started? "Beware the ides of May" to paraphrase. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 14 May 15 2.31pm

Has the implosion started?

"Beware the ides of May" to paraphrase.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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