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  SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 04 Nov 22 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I remember remainers saying the economy was going to be destroyed and now they are desperate to just point to an effect. As was said endlessly the Brexit vote was never about economics but they don't listen, they just continually make the same failed arguments that I've been listening to since 2015. It was all said in 2016 and while I accept that Brexit was never an economic improvement it reflected the anger of many of us about the EU project. An anger that was ignored and insulted and now the shoe is on the other foot. Of course most of the left want to be in the EU, because it's a corporate centralised socialist left utopian project which they feel very comfortable in. All those arguments were made six years ago, but some of them just can't move on.....Again, now they know what it feels like to be politically ignored. In fairness, I treat remainers that blame everything on Brexit and brexiteers who claim brexit has had no negative effect whatsoever with similar levels of distain. Partisan nonsense
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| Stirlingsays 04 Nov 22 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
In fairness, I treat remainers that blame everything on Brexit and brexiteers who claim brexit has had no negative effect whatsoever with similar levels of distain. Partisan nonsense Yep, considering the state of western finances I consider it all to be a bit of a sideshow.
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Nov 22 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I admire your allegiance to your former profession but are you saying this is 100% categorically untrue? What is the alternative explanation in that case and how are you able to be so sure? Let's say it wasn't HO employees... could it not have been contractors? Or a rogue bus driver? I doubt HO employees drive the buses. Of course I cannot be 100% sure as I was not there. If I want to be cynical it could be a set up, by charities who are always highly critical of the Government over this and are desperate for open borders probably not but not an impossibility. Yes it could be that scenario but, personally i doubt it. It would, indeed be contractors who drive the buses, as it is who are used as security at detention centres. There are tight regulations in place regarding the movement of detainees and every movement has to be accounted for. I have been very critical of HO in the past, in particular Senior Managers, especially when I was employed by them, so, yes, they are nowhere near perfect but tbf when they attempt to resolve the situation, obstacles are put in the way all the time.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Actually I don’t believe it happened, as I know how HO/BF go out of their way to assist people, despite what some media outlets would have you believe. So presumably it is not important to you that BF Officers are abused and threatened whilst doing their job, by economic migrants who are entering the UK illegally, well that is very telling.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Nov 22 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, considering the state of western finances I consider it all to be a bit of a sideshow. Perhaps, but it's been a contributing factor one way or another – it can't simply be dismissed. 'It would have happened anyway' is not a good retort I would wish that govts and then the media would stop talking about national finances and debt like they are the same as everyday household finances. I get that it simplifies things and makes for easy clickbait for the plebs but it's not the same thing at all.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Nov 22 12.10am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Perhaps, but it's been a contributing factor one way or another – it can't simply be dismissed. 'It would have happened anyway' is not a good retort I would wish that govts and then the media would stop talking about national finances and debt like they are the same as everyday household finances. I get that it simplifies things and makes for easy clickbait for the plebs but it's not the same thing at all. Very Keynesian. I know that's what been taught for decades but the more you look into it the more you realise that what Keynes taught in terms of governmental spending was nothing like as massive and long lasting as what went on. I doubt he'd be in favour of the extent.....his policy was meant to be short and growth focused...not decades long. I'm not a fan of Keynes theory and quite frankly the debt levels are so massive that it can't be normalised. We can talk about plebs and clickbait but I think the extent of where we are is rather more prescient. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2022 11.36am)
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Nov 22 7.32am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
I have nothing more to say to you then spider- please dont reply to my posts- its time wasting debating with someone who is just blind to the facts for party political purposes! That's probably the funniest thing that I've read for a while Mr Kettle
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| Spiderman Horsham 05 Nov 22 8.17am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
I have plenty of time on my hands, thanks, and this is a discussion forum, so presumably anyone can reply to any post, at anytime. My replies are nothing to do with defending the Tories, I have attempted to explain that the majority of arrivals are economic migrants and treat the UK with disdain. Yes I am defending BF over this, as I have good friends who work down on the Coast every day. I would be raising exactly the same issues, whoever was in power.It would seem your hatred of the Tories has blinded you to these facts.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 22 9.56am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Mr Carney said that it was clear that the UK economy was weaker as a result of Brexit. “Sterling moved against all major currencies from the point at which the referendum was called and then it moved more sharply after the referendum result,” he said. “It hasn’t recovered. It’s fluctuated around but it has not recovered.” Brexit had delivered “a long-standing shock to productivity in the economy”, he said. It is a compound effect across the board, its hard to accept but we voted to become poorer and we are. Carney finishes by saying we are going to have to take hard decisions to recover this but it feels like a whistle in the dark. Neither Carney, nor anyone else, has suggested that all the economic pain that we are suffering is a result of Brexit. He is simply telling the truth. A truth that was predicted. A truth that was accepted by the hard line Brexiteers as a cost worth paying in return for the greater benefit of our "freedom". The real question is, excluding the hard line Brexiteers, how do the rest of us feel about it now? There were already 48% of us who didn't want to leave in the first place! How many now and what do they want? Which party is going to get their votes? How long before a renegotiation of the Brexit agreement becomes a political issue?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 22 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I remember remainers saying the economy was going to be destroyed and now they are desperate to just point to an effect. As was said endlessly the Brexit vote was never about economics but they don't listen, they just continually make the same failed arguments that I've been listening to since 2015. It amazes me sometimes, the PM spent over 400 billion keeping people at home over covid....more than the WW2 budget and inflation is high all over Europe and most of them were happy to accept that......but leaving the EU...oh no, that's financially irresponsible? .....It seems to me that they are fine with financially irresponsible if it's something they support. All these arguments were made and said in 2016 and while I accept that Brexit was never an economic improvement it reflected the anger of many of us about the EU project. An anger that was ignored and insulted and now the shoe is on the other foot. Of course most of the left want to be in the EU, because it's a corporate centralised socialist left utopian project which they feel very comfortable in. All those arguments were made six years ago, but some of them just can't move on.....Again, now they know what the leavers felt like...and we had to wait 40 years for a vote. The Brexit hard liners, like you, the arch Eurosceptics, had their day in Court in 2016 and convinced the jury, by a narrow majority. That was then. It's no longer 2016 and a new jury would almost certainly return a different verdict when presented with the new evidence now available. That being so, and I doubt even the hardest Eurosceptic would try to argue otherwise, the question is what, when and how will something be done about it. The "we waited 40 years, so you must too" has no basis with a 52:48 result and all that's been revealed and happened since. What will happen will depend on political expediency and not on historical bitterness. You won't like it and will go on railing about the "socialist" EU for decades to come, bouncing around the echo chambers of the internet venting your anger. I could write your future posts for you, they are so predictable. It doesn't matter. What does is how many disagree with you and when and how our representatives decide to act.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Nov 22 10.29am |
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The EU will fall apart within 20 years IMHO. The Victoria station issue has now been explained and there is no dumping people story. I find it extraordinary that apparently if the asylum seekers convince someone at processing they have somewhere to stay with friends or family they are bailed and released. 11 who claimed they had were not collected by anyone and therefore sent to a hotel in Norwich This was reported as what happened, perhaps Spiderman can comment. I wonder how many of these ever appear again Edited by HKOwen (05 Nov 2022 10.30am)
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 05 Nov 22 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Neither Carney, nor anyone else, has suggested that all the economic pain that we are suffering is a result of Brexit. He is simply telling the truth. A truth that was predicted. A truth that was accepted by the hard line Brexiteers as a cost worth paying in return for the greater benefit of our "freedom". The real question is, excluding the hard line Brexiteers, how do the rest of us feel about it now? There were already 48% of us who didn't want to leave in the first place! How many now and what do they want? Which party is going to get their votes? How long before a renegotiation of the Brexit agreement becomes a political issue? How would you measure the effect of Brexit including the pandemic and the war, simple, you can't, you can only guess.
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