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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Feb 21 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

WTF has that got to do with Managing/Coaching a football team?.

Absolutely nothing. But then again it wasn’t directed at you. It was a parody of Steelys replies to everything in the politics section. So go do one you bore.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 22 Feb 21 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Any new manager coming in now, is going to inherit a mass of situations , that will not make success easy for him beyond remaining a bottom half club.
It goes beyond that though. ,Does anyone really believe that with our injury list as it is, winning any game, has not become a real problem under any manager.
Everyone concentrates on Wilf, with some reason , but what about Thomps, he was for me our main reason for some success in the games he was involved in recently. And judging by the diabolical defending in the last two games, he is all we really have to put any trust in, in that department. And with forwards that are shy of hitting the back of any net, keeping clean sheets is more and more what’s needed right now.
The two Mc,s are not world beaters but generally we are better with , than without, in particular Mc,Arthur , over seventy minutes.
If , and it is only an if, players out of contract is a problem. What can a new man do about that, other than ask for the same let downs be kept on? The club have made this bed, and no manager can alter that .
If the club genuinely want an improved future , a manager Change has to happen but , it’s clutching straws to to do that now. Because if the man that has got 8 wins 5draws out of the group can,t get our best players fit, and get a decent performance out of the rest. Why should we believe it would be any easier for someone else.
If we survive this year or not a change is needed. But it can not end at a new manager.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Feb 21 3.55pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I am actually insulted by being compared to Charlton fans and will now deal with a couple of Roy's points.
He states it's an achievement in itself to stay up. Eight years in it shouldn't be the objective. Targets go up incrementally every year in every business. As many have stated, an objective of staying up is just treading water. There has been no discernable year on year improvement at the club. Even our ambitions have not evolved. That's called stagnation in anyone's book.
The budget is an interesting point. We've just let Meyer go on a free. Firstly, why not a fee, he was certainly worth something? Even then, if we were never going to play him (Roy) why wait years? Why not get rid a year ago and save the wages.
Secondly, it is the wages that are a problem combined with poor management (not just Roy). However, Roy could have asked to be rid of some of the deadwood a while ago. He was never going to play certain players and others are permanently injured. We have spent more on wasted wages than we have on transfers. It's why we never have any money. Wickham for example. Play or go, not renew contract. Roy could have simply asked seasons ago that certain players were sold, or released. One has to suspect a manager would be listened to.
Roy's as culpable for this as anyone else.

Also Roy, and all your mates and supporters, why pick Benteke all of the time? Nobody else would, or would they? I doubt it. That's on you Roy.
The style of play, no shots, no entries to the box, the fitness training, that's on you Roy. The injuries are on you Roy, your idea of rotation is play the crap players in the two Cup games we get in a season. You must have taken a leaf out of early eighties Villa - who used 12 players to win the league. The news Roy, however, is it's 2021. Squads rotate or die: in fact they even use their own youth sometimes. Despite various sycophants saying they're crap our youngsters are plenty better than many of our first team. But I guess they're not favourites.
When someone is sh1t Roy, you drop them. You don't just play the same over and over again. Competition for places. Does not exist in our club, Roy. Who is that on? - oh yes the manager.
When we stay up take the accolades that you seem to need and avoid the criticism you seem unable to take.
Don't ever f***ing equate us to Charlton again, you're out of order in my book. Stop making your f***ing excuses and do something. You're the f***ing boss, own the problems. Solve the problems. Instead you deflect, this fault, that fault.
And please God go at the end of this season or earlier. I'll always support Palace but I'm going to need the Samaritans if your contract is renewed. So will plenty of others.

I think you make some valid points, but I don't agree with the bits that I have highlighted.

For a club with our resources, staying up is the first objective. Anything like a Cup Final appearance, a bonus. Do the targets go up incrementally every year ? If so, how do you implement that when you are frequently changing managers ??

At the risk of repeating myself, it's the Director of Football and the Chairman that have responsibility and oversight of contracts, wages and transfer fees. Stop blaming Hodgson for things he that are outside of his remit.

Your comment about our young players simply doesn't stack up. Was it you that advocated playing a 16 year old in the first team without so much as seeing him play ? It's been debated before, but your anti Hodgson sentiment is getting the better of you.

Results, performances, tactics, team selections are all down to Hodgson. At the moment results are variable, performances underwhelming, tactics - frustrating. Team selection - at the moment, not a lot of choice, but most fans question managers selections.

 


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Croydon-Trucker Flag 22 Feb 21 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I am actually insulted by being compared to Charlton fans and will now deal with a couple of Roy's points.
He states it's an achievement in itself to stay up. Eight years in it shouldn't be the objective. Targets go up incrementally every year in every business. As many have stated, an objective of staying up is just treading water. There has been no discernable year on year improvement at the club. Even our ambitions have not evolved. That's called stagnation in anyone's book.
The budget is an interesting point. We've just let Meyer go on a free. Firstly, why not a fee, he was certainly worth something? Even then, if we were never going to play him (Roy) why wait years? Why not get rid a year ago and save the wages.
Secondly, it is the wages that are a problem combined with poor management (not just Roy). However, Roy could have asked to be rid of some of the deadwood a while ago. He was never going to play certain players and others are permanently injured. We have spent more on wasted wages than we have on transfers. It's why we never have any money. Wickham for example. Play or go, not renew contract. Roy could have simply asked seasons ago that certain players were sold, or released. One has to suspect a manager would be listened to. Roy's as culpable for this as anyone else.
Also Roy, and all your mates and supporters, why pick Benteke all of the time? Nobody else would, or would they? I doubt it. That's on you Roy.
The style of play, no shots, no entries to the box, the fitness training, that's on you Roy. The injuries are on you Roy, your idea of rotation is play the crap players in the two Cup games we get in a season. You must have taken a leaf out of early eighties Villa - who used 12 players to win the league. The news Roy, however, is it's 2021. Squads rotate or die: in fact they even use their own youth sometimes. Despite various sycophants saying they're crap our youngsters are plenty better than many of our first team. But I guess they're not favourites.
When someone is sh1t Roy, you drop them. You don't just play the same over and over again. Competition for places. Does not exist in our club, Roy. Who is that on? - oh yes the manager.
When we stay up take the accolades that you seem to need and avoid the criticism you seem unable to take.
Don't ever f***ing equate us to Charlton again, you're out of order in my book. Stop making your f***ing excuses and do something. You're the f***ing boss, own the problems. Solve the problems. Instead you deflect, this fault, that fault.
And please God go at the end of this season or earlier. I'll always support Palace but I'm going to need the Samaritans if your contract is renewed. So will plenty of others.

Very good post . A lot of us feel the same . Very frustrating .

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Feb 21 4.05pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Any new manager coming in now, is going to inherit a mass of situations , that will not make success easy for him beyond remaining a bottom half club.
It goes beyond that though. ,Does anyone really believe that with our injury list as it is, winning any game, has not become a real problem under any manager.
Everyone concentrates on Wilf, with some reason , but what about Thomps, he was for me our main reason for some success in the games he was involved in recently. And judging by the diabolical defending in the last two games, he is all we really have to put any trust in, in that department. And with forwards that are shy of hitting the back of any net, keeping clean sheets is more and more what’s needed right now.
The two Mc,s are not world beaters but generally we are better with , than without, in particular Mc,Arthur , over seventy minutes.
If , and it is only an if, players out of contract is a problem. What can a new man do about that, other than ask for the same let downs be kept on? The club have made this bed, and no manager can alter that .
If the club genuinely want an improved future , a manager Change has to happen but , it’s clutching straws to to do that now. Because if the man that has got 8 wins 5draws out of the group can,t get our best players fit, and get a decent performance out of the rest. Why should we believe it would be any easier for someone else.
If we survive this year or not a change is needed. But it can not end at a new manager.

Totally true. A new manager will not be a quick fix. However, back to my long rant. Jimmy Mac for example. Subbed 88 mins all the time. Wasn't worth it for him or the player coming on. He looked gone on about 60 mins every match. But we did it for two seasons. If we'd relied less on certain players, given them a break sometimes, brought one more player through because of that, the blame would be far less on the manager.
Without going too deep. Wilf is similar too. It's a red herring that we can't win without him. None of us cared when we played hoof ball to get wins, some you play dirty because you need to. Set pieces with Pulis, for example. Clearly, we have only just started working on set pieces since we got Eze. How poor is that? What's our record? Plenty have noticed.
Things need to be planned for. All we kept on doing was putting the fire upstairs out, whilst it still burned away downstairs stronger than ever. And we kept on using the same water tank, which is now nearly empty.

 


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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Feb 21 4.25pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

surely if we're sucked into a relegation scrap then we should entertain the idea of bringing someone in this season? We should be taking points from the next two games (minimum 3) if we don't, the two games after that are harder in Man U and Spurs. Then there are ten games left. Would like to think that Mr Parish has some hard deadlines on when to start pushing certain buttons if our points and performances don't improve. Still, if we somehow bag 4 points from the next two games that should chill things out a bit and we'll likely hobble over the finish line.


I agree that if we fail to take any points from the next four games then Parish may well be looking at doing something, but there has to be someone available to bring in who can make a difference or Parish goes with an internal temporary appointment. We'll just have to wait and see. My own belief if that we'll pick up some points over the next four games and our performances will improve sufficiently to keep Hodgson in a job till the end of the season. Obviously 4 or 6 points out of the next 2 games would be great.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Feb 21 4.44pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I think you make some valid points, but I don't agree with the bits that I have highlighted.

For a club with our resources, staying up is the first objective. Anything like a Cup Final appearance, a bonus. Do the targets go up incrementally every year ? If so, how do you implement that when you are frequently changing managers ??

At the risk of repeating myself, it's the Director of Football and the Chairman that have responsibility and oversight of contracts, wages and transfer fees. Stop blaming Hodgson for things he that are outside of his remit.

Your comment about our young players simply doesn't stack up. Was it you that advocated playing a 16 year old in the first team without so much as seeing him play ? It's been debated before, but your anti Hodgson sentiment is getting the better of you.

Results, performances, tactics, team selections are all down to Hodgson. At the moment results are variable, performances underwhelming, tactics - frustrating. Team selection - at the moment, not a lot of choice, but most fans question managers selections.

Fair enough, NEILLO, I have advocated playing untried youngsters. I already gave the reason. No point in playing players that are physically shot. At least an able bodied person, and a footballer too, should be able to do what many of our first team do. Wasn't you that advocated playing only the seasoned regulars? That's happened. Let's hope we don't go down, basically fingers crossed! I understand your opinion, I have mine. You believe I'm wrong, fair point.
As for Roy having no input, it would seem that most managers are indeed first team coaches these days. For a start the improvement in the player's performances would be down to coaching. How are we doing there. I'm struggling to think of anyone who has improved. There must be one I've forgotten.
But, I've already said, if it were Roy's excuse that he doesn't sign people, doesn't renew etc, then could he not have even suggested anything and be listened to? Dies he genuinely have no input at meetings? We may as well get someone to copy the tactics in FM20 in that case.
He was quick enough to not play people and make sure everyone knew he never would give them a chance. But not quick to suggest getting rid of some others. In fact, no way did he suggest anything at all. So he meddled when he wanted and washed his hands of all responsibility when it suited. That's just too convenient and reminds me of the Liverpool and England excuses - which I have never brought up before.
So yes, NEILLO, we don't agree on everything - we probably never will. But I'm sure we both want a win tonight. I hope our team and manager does too.
And I'm not infallible or ITK, just giving an opinion as a pissed off fan of many years of the ups and downs. I realise I probably come across as a know it all. I'm not the easiest to argue with!

 


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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 22 Feb 21 5.23pm Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Absolutely nothing. But then again it wasn’t directed at you. It was a parody of Steelys replies to everything in the politics section. So go do one you bore.

Says the pot again calling the kettle. You jump on enough posts of mine when they are nothing to do with you, so you an go do one yourself.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Feb 21 6.23pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Fair enough, NEILLO, I have advocated playing untried youngsters. I already gave the reason. No point in playing players that are physically shot. At least an able bodied person, and a footballer too, should be able to do what many of our first team do. Wasn't you that advocated playing only the seasoned regulars? That's happened. Let's hope we don't go down, basically fingers crossed! I understand your opinion, I have mine. You believe I'm wrong, fair point.
As for Roy having no input, it would seem that most managers are indeed first team coaches these days. For a start the improvement in the player's performances would be down to coaching. How are we doing there. I'm struggling to think of anyone who has improved. There must be one I've forgotten.
But, I've already said, if it were Roy's excuse that he doesn't sign people, doesn't renew etc, then could he not have even suggested anything and be listened to? Dies he genuinely have no input at meetings? We may as well get someone to copy the tactics in FM20 in that case.
He was quick enough to not play people and make sure everyone knew he never would give them a chance. But not quick to suggest getting rid of some others. In fact, no way did he suggest anything at all. So he meddled when he wanted and washed his hands of all responsibility when it suited. That's just too convenient and reminds me of the Liverpool and England excuses - which I have never brought up before.
So yes, NEILLO, we don't agree on everything - we probably never will. But I'm sure we both want a win tonight. I hope our team and manager does too.
And I'm not infallible or ITK, just giving an opinion as a pissed off fan of many years of the ups and downs. I realise I probably come across as a know it all. I'm not the easiest to argue with!

I feel your frustration, I really do....fingers crossed for tonight !

You don't come across as anything other than being passionate about our club - we have that very much in common

 


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Mstrobez Flag 22 Feb 21 6.25pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Its clear some will be screaming Roy IN even when we are relegated. Thats missing the main points of the Roy OUT side: Our current position is mostly due to how other teams suck more than us - just look at the win vs losses. Now also look at the nature of the wins and how many had lady luck's hand in them. Now look at the losses and decide how many of those were in fact winnable games. Additionally look at the talent in our sqyad and see if its used to maximum effect under Roy. Then review your IN vs OUT disposition

Now look at the Premier League net spends since Roy took over.

Now look at the other squads average ages in comparison to ours.

Now compare our squad to those around us.

Now look at the way we scraped for survival in pretty much every single Premier League season prior to Roys arrival.

Now get a bloody grip of yourself.

The Roy out saga is up there for me as the most hysterical & cult-like campaign I've ever witnessed as a Palace fan. It is infantile, cringeworthy & embarrassing. Nobody would defend Roy Hodgson if we were to go down but it ain't gonna happen. And when you consider how little financial backing he's had & actually look at our squad on paper - that is a far greater achievement than our increasingly spoilt fanbase give him credit for.

Edited by Mstrobez (22 Feb 2021 6.38pm)

 


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Mstrobez Flag 22 Feb 21 6.32pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

The thing that frustrates me above all else about this nonsense is that the Roy period has left us in a position where we can tangibly push on. We are a semi-respectable & established Premier League club now - that really does count for something. The very reason Palace fans are expecting the push is precisely because of the work Roy has done.

Had it been any of the managers who came before him, there would've almost certainly been a time where we were in danger of going down. And we would've either spunked another huge sum of money up the wall (future transfer funds) on firefighter signings to stay up or actually gone down this time.

Roy has steadied the ship and then some. It would be utterly bizarre & reckless of the clubs hierarchy to get rid of him now.

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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 22 Feb 21 6.57pm Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The thing that frustrates me above all else about this nonsense is that the Roy period has left us in a position where we can tangibly push on. We are a semi-respectable & established Premier League club now - that really does count for something. The very reason Palace fans are expecting the push is precisely because of the work Roy has done.

Had it been any of the managers who came before him, there would've almost certainly been a time where we were in danger of going down. And we would've either spunked another huge sum of money up the wall (future transfer funds) on firefighter signings to stay up or actually gone down this time.

Roy has steadied the ship and then some. It would be utterly bizarre & reckless of the clubs hierarchy to get rid of him now.

Edited by Mstrobez (22 Feb 2021 6.34pm)

Well said People forget Roy has stayd loyal unlike Pullis an Allardyce who didn't fancy not being able to operate without spending millions. Honestly some of these Roy out brigade should have been around when were really crap, seeking re-election to the league twice and being relegated to the bottom tier of the league.

 


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