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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Nov 22 7.04pm
HOW BREXIT HELPED BCREATE THE MIGRANT CRISIS! Members of the far right have been up in arms about the number of migrants arriving on british shores via dingy, but few of them have taken time to ponder how their pet project-Brexit- might be to blame for the worsening crisis.In 2019, when britain was within the EU,less than 2000 asylum seekers arrived in britain by boat, government figures show.But by 2021, the year the transition period ended, the number had rocketed to 28,526, with almost 40,000 , making the perilous journey so far in 2022. As the bbc home editor , Mark Easton noted last year, this exposes a common fallacy about Brexit,that you can simply "pull the drawbridge" and hope to deal with the problem that way."Controlling the countrys borders requires international agreement and co-operation." Unfortunately, international co-operation is in short supply in the uk right now, havingwilfully opted out of most arrangements with our closest neighbours" when part of the EU Dublin convention, britain requested the return of approximately a quarter of asylum cases to other parts of Europe.Now outside the EU, the uk currently has no return arrangements with any EU country. The government proposed a post Brexit replacement for the Dublin arrangement- but the EU turned it down. Last year, of more than 20,000 people to have made it safely to the uk, just 5 were returned to Europe!
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Any european country i fancy! 03 Nov 22 7.04pm

HOW BREXIT HELPED BCREATE THE MIGRANT CRISIS! Members of the far right have been up in arms about the number of migrants arriving on british shores via dingy, but few of them have taken time to ponder how their pet project-Brexit- might be to blame for the worsening crisis.In 2019, when britain was within the EU,less than 2000 asylum seekers arrived in britain by boat, government figures show.But by 2021, the year the transition period ended, the number had rocketed to 28,526, with almost 40,000 , making the perilous journey so far in 2022. As the bbc home editor , Mark Easton noted last year, this exposes a common fallacy about Brexit,that you can simply "pull the drawbridge" and hope to deal with the problem that way."Controlling the countrys borders requires international agreement and co-operation." Unfortunately, international co-operation is in short supply in the uk right now, havingwilfully opted out of most arrangements with our closest neighbours" when part of the EU Dublin convention, britain requested the return of approximately a quarter of asylum cases to other parts of Europe.Now outside the EU, the uk currently has no return arrangements with any EU country. The government proposed a post Brexit replacement for the Dublin arrangement- but the EU turned it down. Last year, of more than 20,000 people to have made it safely to the uk, just 5 were returned to Europe!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 22 7.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Apart from my misnaming the more right wing element of the Tories (ERG) what I've said is just factually true to the best that I've learnt. As for the majority attitude of the grass roots membership, Wilo would be better placed than me but I can only point to Badenoch heading the polls in the recent candidate elections.....If they had taken a reading for politicians that you like...say Hunt (another who had been installed without popular support) then I fear you would be rather disappointed. Take a reading? From whom and when? Hunt was appointed by a PM, just as all ministers are. Do you want to hold a referendum on that too? Hunt's calmness, honesty and determination to deal with the crisis has already seen a marked improvement. We all know it's going to get worse, but at least the feeling is now that our Chancellor is competent and doing all he can. Hunt took flak, unfairly in my opinion, for his time at the DHSC but I reckon he is quite possibly the most popular Tory minister at present. Not standing this time, and preferring just to get on with the job, goes down well. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 22 7.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Apart from my misnaming the more right wing element of the Tories (ERG) what I've said is just factually true to the best that I've learnt.

As for the majority attitude of the grass roots membership, Wilo would be better placed than me but I can only point to Badenoch heading the polls in the recent candidate elections.....If they had taken a reading for politicians that you like...say Hunt (another who had been installed without popular support) then I fear you would be rather disappointed.

Take a reading? From whom and when?

Hunt was appointed by a PM, just as all ministers are. Do you want to hold a referendum on that too?

Hunt's calmness, honesty and determination to deal with the crisis has already seen a marked improvement. We all know it's going to get worse, but at least the feeling is now that our Chancellor is competent and doing all he can.

Hunt took flak, unfairly in my opinion, for his time at the DHSC but I reckon he is quite possibly the most popular Tory minister at present. Not standing this time, and preferring just to get on with the job, goes down well.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 22 7.10pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I think if I made random selections from the ethnic minority choices they’d be more conservative than the globalist left wing friendly option. There’s a lot of Asians who are quite unsympathetic to people not completely supporting themselves. Usually women. The concerns of immigration will be the lack of management from governments and the usual problems. And the experience of their family’s success they see not happening with other immigrants. They arrived as dedicated families. Not the case with many now. Lots of west Africans are very socially responsible and conservative. We know that. Several are MP’s because many west Africans are socially conservative. Yep, you know it and I know it. The majority of minorities will always vote against what they perceive as the majority interest...However, within a personal context, they tend to socially be the least accepting of the alphabet ideologies of the left....and now sadly the mainstream right. Those of them who enter politics tend to far more evenly reflect a balance between left and right. Those of them who become Tories don't tend to be wets or centralists because....quite frankly those are social liberals and only conservatives over their bank balances. I'm not saying that isn't important but they might as well be Blairites and join the right of the Labour party. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2022 7.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Nov 22 7.10pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I think if I made random selections from the ethnic minority choices they’d be more conservative than the globalist left wing friendly option.

There’s a lot of Asians who are quite unsympathetic to people not completely supporting themselves. Usually women. The concerns of immigration will be the lack of management from governments and the usual problems. And the experience of their family’s success they see not happening with other immigrants. They arrived as dedicated families. Not the case with many now.

Lots of west Africans are very socially responsible and conservative. We know that. Several are MP’s because many west Africans are socially conservative.

Yep, you know it and I know it.

The majority of minorities will always vote against what they perceive as the majority interest...However, within a personal context, they tend to socially be the least accepting of the alphabet ideologies of the left....and now sadly the mainstream right.

Those of them who enter politics tend to far more evenly reflect a balance between left and right. Those of them who become Tories don't tend to be wets or centralists because....quite frankly those are social liberals and only conservatives over their bank balances.

I'm not saying that isn't important but they might as well be Blairites and join the right of the Labour party.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2022 7.19pm)

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Nov 22 7.12pm
Originally posted by croydon proud HOW BREXIT HELPED BCREATE THE MIGRANT CRISIS! Members of the far right have been up in arms about the number of migrants arriving on british shores via dingy, but few of them have taken time to ponder how their pet project-Brexit- might be to blame for the worsening crisis.In 2019, when britain was within the EU,less than 2000 asylum seekers arrived in britain by boat, government figures show.But by 2021, the year the transition period ended, the number had rocketed to 28,526, with almost 40,000 , making the perilous journey so far in 2022. As the bbc home editor , Mark Easton noted last year, this exposes a common fallacy about Brexit,that you can simply "pull the drawbridge" and hope to deal with the problem that way."Controlling the countrys borders requires international agreement and co-operation." Unfortunately, international co-operation is in short supply in the uk right now, havingwilfully opted out of most arrangements with our closest neighbours" when part of the EU Dublin convention, britain requested the return of approximately a quarter of asylum cases to other parts of Europe.Now outside the EU, the uk currently has no return arrangements with any EU country. The government proposed a post Brexit replacement for the Dublin arrangement- but the EU turned it down. Last year, of more than 20,000 people to have made it safely to the uk, just 5 were returned to Europe! As the independent"s Jon Stone noted, "Despiterhetoric about borders and immigration playing a major role in the leave vote, EU cooperation played a significant rolein border policing before Brexit". Who knew?
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Any european country i fancy! 03 Nov 22 7.12pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

As the independent"s Jon Stone noted, "Despiterhetoric about borders and immigration playing a major role in the leave vote, EU cooperation played a significant rolein border policing before Brexit". Who knew?

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Stirlingsays 03 Nov 22 7.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Take a reading? From whom and when? Hunt was appointed by a PM, just as all ministers are. Do you want to hold a referendum on that too? Hunt's calmness, honesty and determination to deal with the crisis has already seen a marked improvement. We all know it's going to get worse, but at least the feeling is now that our Chancellor is competent and doing all he can. Hunt took flak, unfairly in my opinion, for his time at the DHSC but I reckon he is quite possibly the most popular Tory minister at present. Not standing this time, and preferring just to get on with the job, goes down well. The only good thing I can say of Hunt is that he has a good brain. As for Hunt's politics.....no thanks. I'll treat your recommendation with the same attitude I had to your lavish praise for Biden's character when he came in....something you seemed to forget. Like Sunak, Hunt is very much the pick of the markets. In fact, it's my contention that over the next couple of years we will see banker friendly policies because....ahead of the eventual collapse the city will want to keep as much of its money as possible. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Nov 22 7.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Take a reading? From whom and when?

Hunt was appointed by a PM, just as all ministers are. Do you want to hold a referendum on that too?

The only good thing I can say of Hunt is that he has a good brain. As for Hunt's politics.....no thanks.

I'll treat your recommendation with the same attitude I had to your lavish praise for Biden's character when he came in....something you seemed to forget.

Like Sunak, Hunt is very much the pick of the markets. In fact, it's my contention that over the next couple of years we will see banker friendly policies because....ahead of the eventual collapse the city will want to keep as much of its money as possible.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 03 Nov 22 7.27pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Entering a recession the BOE increase interest rates and the tories will impose further austerity spending cuts and increase taxes. They haven't read their Keynes this is discredited and could lead to depression, in fact the BOE is already forecasting 2 years. The whole situation caused, of course, by themselves. I agree. Shame on the Tories for invading Ukraine and for introducing Covid to the world.
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Originally posted by steeleye20

Entering a recession the BOE increase interest rates and the tories will impose further austerity spending cuts and increase taxes.

They haven't read their Keynes this is discredited and could lead to depression, in fact the BOE is already forecasting 2 years.

The whole situation caused, of course, by themselves.

I agree. Shame on the Tories for invading Ukraine and for introducing Covid to the world.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 22 7.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The only good thing I can say of Hunt is that he has a good brain. As for Hunt's politics.....no thanks. I'll treat your recommendation with the same attitude I had to your lavish praise for Biden's character when he came in....something you seemed to forget. Like Sunak, Hunt is very much the pick of the markets. In fact, it's my contention that over the next couple of years we will see banker friendly policies because....ahead of the eventual collapse the city will want to keep as much of its money as possible. I don't need to forget it, because it isn't true! Indeed that is so far off the mark to wonder if your memory isn't just faulty but in danger. What I said about Biden then, is what I would say now. He was a safe pair of hands, chosen to do a job, which was to defeat the worst POTUS in history, and be a bridge to a better future. I was sure then, and remain convinced, that he won't stand again. Who the Democrats choose is probably the most important political decision to be made anywhere in the next 2 years. Your conspiracy theories, this time about why Hunt will adopt particular policies, are seemingly limitless. Which dark corner of the web did you trawl this one up from? Markets react to events. They don't create them, although their reaction to one event can create another. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Nov 22 7.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The only good thing I can say of Hunt is that he has a good brain. As for Hunt's politics.....no thanks.

I'll treat your recommendation with the same attitude I had to your lavish praise for Biden's character when he came in....something you seemed to forget.

I don't need to forget it, because it isn't true! Indeed that is so far off the mark to wonder if your memory isn't just faulty but in danger.

What I said about Biden then, is what I would say now. He was a safe pair of hands, chosen to do a job, which was to defeat the worst POTUS in history, and be a bridge to a better future. I was sure then, and remain convinced, that he won't stand again. Who the Democrats choose is probably the most important political decision to be made anywhere in the next 2 years.

Your conspiracy theories, this time about why Hunt will adopt particular policies, are seemingly limitless. Which dark corner of the web did you trawl this one up from? Markets react to events. They don't create them, although their reaction to one event can create another.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Nov 22 8.15pm
With todays interest rate hike, and the weather getting a bit cooler today, I think the next nail in the CONservative coffin has been put in- the country really is in a bad way and its lasting at least 2 years- the £300 billion debt lizzy don"t trust heaped on the country in 4 weeks in office would come in very handy indeed- perhaps Rich Rishi is the best they have- but less we forget what 12 years of CONS has done to us! Whop ever takes over- can"t do much- the country is on its knees- but thats not a reason not to have a clean sweep and start again with anybody else- but be prepared to give them at least 12 years to judge them!
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Any european country i fancy! 03 Nov 22 8.15pm

With todays interest rate hike, and the weather getting a bit cooler today, I think the next nail in the CONservative coffin has been put in- the country really is in a bad way and its lasting at least 2 years- the £300 billion debt lizzy don"t trust heaped on the country in 4 weeks in office would come in very handy indeed- perhaps Rich Rishi is the best they have- but less we forget what 12 years of CONS has done to us! Whop ever takes over- can"t do much- the country is on its knees- but thats not a reason not to have a clean sweep and start again with anybody else- but be prepared to give them at least 12 years to judge them!

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.21pm
Originally posted by croydon proud HOW BREXIT HELPED BCREATE THE MIGRANT CRISIS! Members of the far right have been up in arms about the number of migrants arriving on british shores via dingy, but few of them have taken time to ponder how their pet project-Brexit- might be to blame for the worsening crisis.In 2019, when britain was within the EU,less than 2000 asylum seekers arrived in britain by boat, government figures show.But by 2021, the year the transition period ended, the number had rocketed to 28,526, with almost 40,000 , making the perilous journey so far in 2022. As the bbc home editor , Mark Easton noted last year, this exposes a common fallacy about Brexit,that you can simply "pull the drawbridge" and hope to deal with the problem that way."Controlling the countrys borders requires international agreement and co-operation." Unfortunately, international co-operation is in short supply in the uk right now, havingwilfully opted out of most arrangements with our closest neighbours" when part of the EU Dublin convention, britain requested the return of approximately a quarter of asylum cases to other parts of Europe.Now outside the EU, the uk currently has no return arrangements with any EU country. The government proposed a post Brexit replacement for the Dublin arrangement- but the EU turned it down. Last year, of more than 20,000 people to have made it safely to the uk, just 5 were returned to Europe! Not sure where you are getting your figures from. We may have requested the return of 25% but how many were accepted ? I have covered this before but I will put it in simple terms, nowhere near 25%. IF only 5 have been returned to Europe, again not sure where this has come from, why is that? Nothing to do with a Labour introduced HRA, I suppose. You can keep blaming Brexit if it makes you feel better, that’s fine but there are far more factors than Brexit to blame Where are you getting your figures from? Some inebriated passenger?
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Originally posted by croydon proud

Not sure where you are getting your figures from. We may have requested the return of 25% but how many were accepted ? I have covered this before but I will put it in simple terms, nowhere near 25%.
IF only 5 have been returned to Europe, again not sure where this has come from, why is that? Nothing to do with a Labour introduced HRA, I suppose. You can keep blaming Brexit if it makes you feel better, that’s fine but there are far more factors than Brexit to blame
Where are you getting your figures from? Some inebriated passenger?

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.23pm
Originally posted by croydon proud As the independent"s Jon Stone noted, "Despiterhetoric about borders and immigration playing a major role in the leave vote, EU cooperation played a significant rolein border policing before Brexit". Who knew? A quote from the Independent, must be true then!
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Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.23pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

A quote from the Independent, must be true then!

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's half right! But we do have a card system
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Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's half right!

But we do have a card system

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.29pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am quite sure this is 100% true. The BF officers I have heard speaking about this seem compassionate, patient and extremely frustrated, whilst being asked to do an impossible job, yet still take criticism from all sides. They urgently need support or someone is going to get seriously hurt. As we have agreed before there is no obvious solution, so I hope someone can get a grip on this and come up with an innovative plan that everyone can get behind and for the political mud slinging to stop. That's in everyone's interests. Totally agree. Being spat at and occasionally facing weapons is not what BF Officers are expected to have to deal with ( although I have been spat at on more than 1 occasion). Unfortunately it is the want of Government Departments not to divulge such information, therefore the general public will believe whichever media outlet they frequent
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Horsham 03 Nov 22 9.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am quite sure this is 100% true. The BF officers I have heard speaking about this seem compassionate, patient and extremely frustrated, whilst being asked to do an impossible job, yet still take criticism from all sides.

They urgently need support or someone is going to get seriously hurt. As we have agreed before there is no obvious solution, so I hope someone can get a grip on this and come up with an innovative plan that everyone can get behind and for the political mud slinging to stop. That's in everyone's interests.

Totally agree. Being spat at and occasionally facing weapons is not what BF Officers are expected to have to deal with ( although I have been spat at on more than 1 occasion).
Unfortunately it is the want of Government Departments not to divulge such information, therefore the general public will believe whichever media outlet they frequent

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