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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 9.40am
Originally posted by jeeagles There wasn't enough in Tanganga's shove or reaction to make it a red. On this occasion Wilf's response to Tanganga helped Tanganga lost his head and was sent of a couple of minutes later for a silly foul. I didn't think the second challenged justified a yellow in isolation. Other things that went out way were; - Spur's didn't expect us to play like that. They would have expected us to put everyone behind the ball. Their back 4 would have been expecting lots of crosses into Benteke, bringing on Edouard allowed us to change that - not something they would have been prepared for. - Harry Kane doesn't press well. This allowed us to pass out of the back. At the game, I thought a yellow to Wilf and Tanganga was the correct outcome. However, watching it on MOTD, I thought Tangaga's challenge merited a straight red given that he went for Wilf's face/head. I agree that in isolation the second yellow was a bit soft, but I think justice was done. And I have to say that I can't recall leaving a game that Jon Moss has refereed and having anything positive to say about him, but I thought he did a good job on Saturday. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 9.40am

Originally posted by jeeagles

There wasn't enough in Tanganga's shove or reaction to make it a red.

On this occasion Wilf's response to Tanganga helped Tanganga lost his head and was sent of a couple of minutes later for a silly foul.

I didn't think the second challenged justified a yellow in isolation.

Other things that went out way were;

- Spur's didn't expect us to play like that. They would have expected us to put everyone behind the ball. Their back 4 would have been expecting lots of crosses into Benteke, bringing on Edouard allowed us to change that - not something they would have been prepared for.

- Harry Kane doesn't press well. This allowed us to pass out of the back.

At the game, I thought a yellow to Wilf and Tanganga was the correct outcome.

However, watching it on MOTD, I thought Tangaga's challenge merited a straight red given that he went for Wilf's face/head.

I agree that in isolation the second yellow was a bit soft, but I think justice was done.

And I have to say that I can't recall leaving a game that Jon Moss has refereed and having anything positive to say about him, but I thought he did a good job on Saturday.

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Sep 21 9.44am
Originally posted by Qwijibo I think it's fair to say the ensuing melee was 50/50 with Zaha and Tanganga equally culpable. So a yellow for that was fair. The foul, which was basically a high-speed shove to the face, was a yellow, minimum. So in retrospect, Zaha was due a yellow, and Tanganga two yellows for two offenses. I did laugh when Zaha gives it large and then you can see him looking around for backup when Tanganga comes back at him guns blazing. Well he is used to his teammates not backing him, at least now we have some who are willing to pile in. When Shearer says he understands Wilfs reaction you know it was justified
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Horsham 13 Sep 21 9.44am

Originally posted by Qwijibo

I think it's fair to say the ensuing melee was 50/50 with Zaha and Tanganga equally culpable. So a yellow for that was fair. The foul, which was basically a high-speed shove to the face, was a yellow, minimum. So in retrospect, Zaha was due a yellow, and Tanganga two yellows for two offenses.

I did laugh when Zaha gives it large and then you can see him looking around for backup when Tanganga comes back at him guns blazing.

Well he is used to his teammates not backing him, at least now we have some who are willing to pile in. When Shearer says he understands Wilfs reaction you know it was justified

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Teddy Eagle 13 Sep 21 9.56am
Originally posted by thai-eagle Let's not hold anything back! Yes, it was only one game and Spurs (top team of the league), was lackluster. But we were all over them for most of the game. One of many highlights, Edouard's first 28 seconds on his debut. Got into a tussle in the middle of the pitch. And as soon as he had lost his aerial battle (and Zaha winning the ball), the ex-Celtic man ran straight into the box and was seemingly waiting for the pass (from Wilf). It came, one extra touch and wham - 2-0. If this had been Benteke, he would still be far away from the box. Think we have a gem here - add to that Eze, and we are a team to reckon with. This might be wishful thinking but one thing about Edouard coming from Celtic is that he may find it a bit easier to find space since most teams he’s been playing against have usually had as many men behind the ball as possible. His goals were typical of how he plays - trying to place the ball rather than blast it. Another part of Edouard’s game is that he’s pretty good at laying the ball off which should help our new midfield combinations run on to it. Looking forward to seeing Hughes alongside Gallagher too - they should be a high energy pairing.
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13 Sep 21 9.56am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

Let's not hold anything back! Yes, it was only one game and Spurs (top team of the league), was lackluster. But we were all over them for most of the game.
One of many highlights, Edouard's first 28 seconds on his debut. Got into a tussle in the middle of the pitch. And as soon as he had lost his aerial battle (and Zaha winning the ball), the ex-Celtic man ran straight into the box and was seemingly waiting for the pass (from Wilf).
It came, one extra touch and wham - 2-0. If this had been Benteke, he would still be far away from the box.
Think we have a gem here - add to that Eze, and we are a team to reckon with.

This might be wishful thinking but one thing about Edouard coming from Celtic is that he may find it a bit easier to find space since most teams he’s been playing against have usually had as many men behind the ball as possible. His goals were typical of how he plays - trying to place the ball rather than blast it.
Another part of Edouard’s game is that he’s pretty good at laying the ball off which should help our new midfield combinations run on to it. Looking forward to seeing Hughes alongside Gallagher too - they should be a high energy pairing.

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southnorwoodhill 13 Sep 21 9.57am
Originally posted by Spiderman Well he is used to his teammates not backing him, at least now we have some who are willing to pile in. When Shearer says he understands Wilfs reaction you know it was justified Certainly this extra competitive edge I would like to attribute to PV, a fiery player in his day, along with a few few other Arsenal players who would be straight over if it went off.
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Originally posted by Spiderman

Well he is used to his teammates not backing him, at least now we have some who are willing to pile in. When Shearer says he understands Wilfs reaction you know it was justified

Certainly this extra competitive edge I would like to attribute to PV, a fiery player in his day, along with a few few other Arsenal players who would be straight over if it went off.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 10.08am
Re the Tanganga foul on Wilf, out of curiosity, I looked at the rules. They say ; '' in addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.'' So I think that Tanganga was not challenging for the ball, he was nowhere near it - and therefore a straight red would have been justified. All's well that ends well though ! Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 10.08am

Re the Tanganga foul on Wilf, out of curiosity, I looked at the rules. They say ;

'' in addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.''

So I think that Tanganga was not challenging for the ball, he was nowhere near it - and therefore a straight red would have been justified.

All's well that ends well though !

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taylors lovechild 13 Sep 21 10.25am
Made the mistake of reading Garth Crooks' team of the week...bitter much?!! How only Zaha made it into his TotW is quite frankly stupid. He also said we wouldn't have won without the red card, which again sounded like sour grapes. As to the game as a whole, the first half an hour Wilf looked like his recent self but then it all seemed to change the moment he realised he had the beating of the new lad for Spurs. His head seemed to lift and as a confidence player he grew into the game. First half we controlled the game without really threatening, but like at West Ham we came out much stronger in the second half and seemed like the only team looking for a win. Edouard made a difference when he came on as he seemed to instinctively know where to run to when attacking and we have missed a striker like that since I can't remember when. For the second goal Bentenke would probably have been on the edge of the box looking to act as the wall for a one-two with Wilf, whereas Edouard just legged it to the penalty spot trusting Wilf to find him. What I love about Andersen and Guehi is the way if they see space ahead of them they will run into it with the ball, often continuing to stride forward even after passing the ball. Unlike in previous seasons we actually have centre-backs who you don't cringe whenever they're in possession. Gallagher and Kouyate were both guilty of losing possession in front of the back four due to poor touch, but thankfully Spurs were applying little pressure. Against Liverpool we will need to be more careful of that as their front three will punish us for careless errors. Spurs can cry all they like about the referee but whatever his decisions correct or not they were terrible. I questioned them getting Nuno given he is so similar in style to Mourinho and yesterday confirmed what I thought. It was like the 1-1 draw last season when Spurs were incredibly passive, but unlike Saturday we didn't take full advantage. I had wanted Nuno, but it may be we lucked out on not getting Nuno after all. Time will tell.
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Made the mistake of reading Garth Crooks' team of the week...bitter much?!! How only Zaha made it into his TotW is quite frankly stupid. He also said we wouldn't have won without the red card, which again sounded like sour grapes.

As to the game as a whole, the first half an hour Wilf looked like his recent self but then it all seemed to change the moment he realised he had the beating of the new lad for Spurs. His head seemed to lift and as a confidence player he grew into the game. First half we controlled the game without really threatening, but like at West Ham we came out much stronger in the second half and seemed like the only team looking for a win. Edouard made a difference when he came on as he seemed to instinctively know where to run to when attacking and we have missed a striker like that since I can't remember when. For the second goal Bentenke would probably have been on the edge of the box looking to act as the wall for a one-two with Wilf, whereas Edouard just legged it to the penalty spot trusting Wilf to find him.

What I love about Andersen and Guehi is the way if they see space ahead of them they will run into it with the ball, often continuing to stride forward even after passing the ball. Unlike in previous seasons we actually have centre-backs who you don't cringe whenever they're in possession. Gallagher and Kouyate were both guilty of losing possession in front of the back four due to poor touch, but thankfully Spurs were applying little pressure. Against Liverpool we will need to be more careful of that as their front three will punish us for careless errors.

Spurs can cry all they like about the referee but whatever his decisions correct or not they were terrible. I questioned them getting Nuno given he is so similar in style to Mourinho and yesterday confirmed what I thought. It was like the 1-1 draw last season when Spurs were incredibly passive, but unlike Saturday we didn't take full advantage. I had wanted Nuno, but it may be we lucked out on not getting Nuno after all. Time will tell.

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jeeagles 13 Sep 21 10.31am
Originally posted by NEILLO Re the Tanganga foul on Wilf, out of curiosity, I looked at the rules. They say ; '' in addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.'' So I think that Tanganga was not challenging for the ball, he was nowhere near it - and therefore a straight red would have been justified. All's well that ends well though ! Good work looking up what the law actually says. Would have taken a brave ref to make that call. Brave ref's don't exist. They are allowing a bit more contact this season, which is a good thing. But players should be going for the ball.
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13 Sep 21 10.31am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Re the Tanganga foul on Wilf, out of curiosity, I looked at the rules. They say ;

So I think that Tanganga was not challenging for the ball, he was nowhere near it - and therefore a straight red would have been justified.

All's well that ends well though !

Good work looking up what the law actually says. Would have taken a brave ref to make that call. Brave ref's don't exist.

They are allowing a bit more contact this season, which is a good thing. But players should be going for the ball.

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robdave2k 13 Sep 21 10.49am
Thought Eduoard showed he’s a poacher. However he’s a different player to Benteke and Benteke deserves some of the credit. 80 minutes physical battles with Benteke being a hold up man for the Spurs players to suddenly have to deal with a different player with 10 men. Bats tried leading our line and couldn’t with any real effect. CB is a focal point. Eduoard did the clever poacher role which we have been crying out for, but CB certainly didn’t have a bad game.
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13 Sep 21 10.49am

Thought Eduoard showed he’s a poacher.

However he’s a different player to Benteke and Benteke deserves some of the credit. 80 minutes physical battles with Benteke being a hold up man for the Spurs players to suddenly have to deal with a different player with 10 men.

Bats tried leading our line and couldn’t with any real effect. CB is a focal point.

Eduoard did the clever poacher role which we have been crying out for, but CB certainly didn’t have a bad game.

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palace chick South Croydon 13 Sep 21 11.02am
Originally posted by crystal-purley A definite red and as others have said why was Wilf yellow carded and not Tanganga. On the advice of others I spent an open mouthed hour or so perusing their comments where I discovered that Wilf should have had a straight red and Jon Moss was very biased in our favour. In our worst days we have never been that biased. I think they both deserved a yellow (initial foul and Wilfs retaliation)and then Tanganga a second yellow for the altercation after the foul?
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South Croydon 13 Sep 21 11.02am

Originally posted by crystal-purley

A definite red and as others have said why was Wilf yellow carded and not Tanganga. On the advice of others I spent an open mouthed hour or so perusing their comments where I discovered that Wilf should have had a straight red and Jon Moss was very biased in our favour. In our worst days we have never been that biased.

I think they both deserved a yellow (initial foul and Wilfs retaliation)and then Tanganga a second yellow for the altercation after the foul?

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 11.34am
If you think that Garth Crooks is bad ( which he always is so at least he's consistent ), then the match report in todays Times takes some beating. It barely mentions the game and instead 90% of the ' write up ' is about Harry Winks Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 11.34am

If you think that Garth Crooks is bad ( which he always is so at least he's consistent ), then the match report in todays Times takes some beating.

It barely mentions the game and instead 90% of the ' write up ' is about Harry Winks

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 13 Sep 21 11.48am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild Made the mistake of reading Garth Crooks' team of the week...bitter muTVch?!! How only Zaha made it into his TotW is quite frankly stupid. He also said we wouldn't have won without the red card, which again sounded like sour grapes. I have the Times and Mail. Both reports of our game were disappointing in that they each focused on Spurs shortcomings rather than the Palace. However, Tony Cascarino writing in The Times, and who is not usually very supportive of Palace was positively glowing in his praise, particularly for Zaha. And he had 3 of our players in his TOTW - Mitchell, Gallagher and Zaha. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Made the mistake of reading Garth Crooks' team of the week...bitter muTVch?!! How only Zaha made it into his TotW is quite frankly stupid. He also said we wouldn't have won without the red card, which again sounded like sour grapes.

I have the Times and Mail. Both reports of our game were disappointing in that they each focused on Spurs shortcomings rather than the Palace.

However, Tony Cascarino writing in The Times, and who is not usually very supportive of Palace was positively glowing in his praise, particularly for Zaha. And he had 3 of our players in his TOTW - Mitchell, Gallagher and Zaha.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 11.57am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer I have the Times and Mail. Both reports of our game were disappointing in that they each focused on Spurs shortcomings rather than the Palace. However, Tony Cascarino writing in The Times, and who is not usually very supportive of Palace was positively glowing in his praise, particularly for Zaha. And he had 3 of our players in his TOTW - Mitchell, Gallagher and Zaha. The journalist that wrote the match report in today's Times has taken the trouble to respond to my comments although I still think his rationale is pretty flimsy ! Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 21 11.57am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I have the Times and Mail. Both reports of our game were disappointing in that they each focused on Spurs shortcomings rather than the Palace.

The journalist that wrote the match report in today's Times has taken the trouble to respond to my comments although I still think his rationale is pretty flimsy !

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