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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Sep 17 12.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, it has, the 70s and the 80s for starters. Some people resent other cultures they deem negative be it religious, criminal or anti-social, rather than ascertain the degree to which they are negative in a religious, criminal or anti-social they soak up the media rather than actually think for themselves and realise that actually, in every generation there are a series of scape goats (whether its people on benefits, single mums, European workers, the blacks, muslims, refugees, Indians, travellers, gypsies, jews, the Irish and so on) - these people, then get to blaming these groups for their own short comings in life. Weak minded people - for whom their failure in life becomes a sequence of blaming everyone else, rather than doing something about it. They say its not race or ethnicity, but culture now days - and proclaim their culture (which isn't a real thing) as special - the darling little snowflakes of the right, always bitching about some other group they hold responsible. You see them all the time in every walk of life, people for whom, the problem is always 'someone else' - for their unhappy, stagnant life. Always thinking that this minority or that minority group have it better and are treated as superior to them. Its as bad as people who just bitch about the rich and the wealthy, without doing anything themselves to improve their own lives. If all someone can do is hate and denigrate others, that's a terrible misery they're carrying in their own lives. Now I get some people in certain groups are a problem - and that's true of just about every single group and culture in history and society. To say that people have blamed various groups through history is like saying that people have always eaten through out history. It is a dismissive trueism designed to gloss over certain realities. The left do this continuously. This is not about hate or blame or 'race', it is about actual facts, nothing more or less. Fact. We now have to concern ourselves with a whole raft of issues that barely existed before mass immigration. As for bitching, One could equally acuse people of 'bitching' about Trump or fascists or 'racism' or The Tories or austerity blah balh blah. This is all just reductionism designed to avoid dealing with the complexity of actual reality. To say there is no such thing as culture is a queston of terminology. We all know what it means. 'Race' and culture are not the same thing. We need to seperate the two to head of ridiculous claims of racism everytime you reference behaviour among a particular group. The British like a pint and eat fish and chips. Is that becuse they are white? No, Is it learned behaviour and environment? Yep. So is anti social behaviour, criminality and religious dogma. It's no good saying it is because people are poor. That is only one factor. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Sep 2017 12.38pm)
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah, it has, the 70s and the 80s for starters.

Some people resent other cultures they deem negative be it religious, criminal or anti-social, rather than ascertain the degree to which they are negative in a religious, criminal or anti-social they soak up the media rather than actually think for themselves and realise that actually, in every generation there are a series of scape goats (whether its people on benefits, single mums, European workers, the blacks, muslims, refugees, Indians, travellers, gypsies, jews, the Irish and so on) - these people, then get to blaming these groups for their own short comings in life.

Weak minded people - for whom their failure in life becomes a sequence of blaming everyone else, rather than doing something about it. They say its not race or ethnicity, but culture now days - and proclaim their culture (which isn't a real thing) as special - the darling little snowflakes of the right, always bitching about some other group they hold responsible.

You see them all the time in every walk of life, people for whom, the problem is always 'someone else' - for their unhappy, stagnant life. Always thinking that this minority or that minority group have it better and are treated as superior to them.

Its as bad as people who just bitch about the rich and the wealthy, without doing anything themselves to improve their own lives.

If all someone can do is hate and denigrate others, that's a terrible misery they're carrying in their own lives. Now I get some people in certain groups are a problem - and that's true of just about every single group and culture in history and society.

To say that people have blamed various groups through history is like saying that people have always eaten through out history. It is a dismissive trueism designed to gloss over certain realities. The left do this continuously. This is not about hate or blame or 'race', it is about actual facts, nothing more or less.

Fact. We now have to concern ourselves with a whole raft of issues that barely existed before mass immigration.
As for bitching, One could equally acuse people of 'bitching' about Trump or fascists or 'racism' or The Tories or austerity blah balh blah.
This is all just reductionism designed to avoid dealing with the complexity of actual reality.

To say there is no such thing as culture is a queston of terminology. We all know what it means. 'Race' and culture are not the same thing. We need to seperate the two to head of ridiculous claims of racism everytime you reference behaviour among a particular group. The British like a pint and eat fish and chips. Is that becuse they are white? No, Is it learned behaviour and environment? Yep. So is anti social behaviour, criminality and religious dogma. It's no good saying it is because people are poor. That is only one factor.

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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 12.27pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 No, but rival football fans do, especially England fans when they routinely boo the oppositions anthem. I just feel bored when the anthems are played, what's the point of them? Same with medal ceremonies, I would just ask for mine to be sent in the post. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 12.25pm) The ones who boo are just immature. If you don't feel anything when you play those links I sent....I can't really tell you what the point is. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Sep 17 12.27pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

No, but rival football fans do, especially England fans when they routinely boo the oppositions anthem. I just feel bored when the anthems are played, what's the point of them? Same with medal ceremonies, I would just ask for mine to be sent in the post.

Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 12.25pm)

The ones who boo are just immature.

If you don't feel anything when you play those links I sent....I can't really tell you what the point is.

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PaddyMcPaddy 28 Sep 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 No, but rival football fans do, especially England fans when they routinely boo the oppositions anthem. I just feel bored when the anthems are played, what's the point of them? Same with medal ceremonies, I would just ask for mine to be sent in the post. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 12.25pm) I think that's more down to football fans than the actual anthem. The anthem in the Olympics for example is a hugely proud moment. Just know your audience i guess.
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28 Sep 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 12.25pm)

I think that's more down to football fans than the actual anthem.
The anthem in the Olympics for example is a hugely proud moment.
Just know your audience i guess.

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chesterfieldeagle 28 Sep 17 12.34pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Oh ha ha. Corbyn gets painted as anti Semite because of his years campaigning for Palestinian rights. People blur the line between anti Jewish government policy and anti semetism too easily. No blurred line from me.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh ha ha.

Corbyn gets painted as anti Semite because of his years campaigning for Palestinian rights.

People blur the line between anti Jewish government policy and anti semetism too easily.

No blurred line from me.

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Lombardos barber 28 Sep 17 12.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You have a point. NFL millionaires are really just hurting their own communities. Since this started TV ratings for the NFL have taken a dive and this will eventually feed into their contracts. Plenty of these millionaires support multiple poor families and as they continue to bite the hand that feeds them then they will quickly realise that mixing your politics with sport has its own cost. What a wise and learned point. Best the black man just keeps quiet and be grateful he has a well paid job. Now i'm off to cackle at Liveleak videos of American Policemen shooting unarmed black men. What a dxckhead you are. Edited by Lombardos barber (28 Sep 2017 12.57pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have a point.

NFL millionaires are really just hurting their own communities. Since this started TV ratings for the NFL have taken a dive and this will eventually feed into their contracts.

Plenty of these millionaires support multiple poor families and as they continue to bite the hand that feeds them then they will quickly realise that mixing your politics with sport has its own cost.

What a wise and learned point.

Best the black man just keeps quiet and be grateful he has a well paid job.

Now i'm off to cackle at Liveleak videos of American Policemen shooting unarmed black men.

What a dxckhead you are.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Sep 17 1.20pm
Originally posted by PaddyMcPaddy Works both ways to an extent. Cheaper labour provides the consumer with a better deal so therefore that local consumer is better off. It might cause issues with the UK national builder and drive his cost downs but then maybe they have been over charging for too long. If foreigners come over and provide the same service for cheaper then maybe you need to look at yourself and say maybe you are doing something wrong? That said if it cheaper for a reason (as in poor or shoddy) then people will eventually go back to using the local Uk builder. It's cheaper because the economies of the country's that are supplying said cheap the labour are pisspoor, therefore they can afford to work for less, and still live like kings back home. Romania being an exact case in point. And that in a nutshell is why the EU is destined to fail, I said pages and pages ago on this very thread that the whole system is floored fiscally as you have 3 principle main players UK, Germany,France propping up the economies of the rest of the member states, and inviting economic migrants at the same time it's a double whamy. It's like buying a season ticket at a football ground where the facilities are the same wherever you sit, but then the club sells additional tickets after you bought yours for half the price, however those people that sit in the cheaper seats still get to see the same game you do but your paying through the nose so they don't have to, shyte analogy but hopefully you get the point. It's a socialists wet dream and will fail. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Sep 17 1.20pm

Originally posted by PaddyMcPaddy

Works both ways to an extent. Cheaper labour provides the consumer with a better deal so therefore that local consumer is better off. It might cause issues with the UK national builder and drive his cost downs but then maybe they have been over charging for too long.

If foreigners come over and provide the same service for cheaper then maybe you need to look at yourself and say maybe you are doing something wrong?

That said if it cheaper for a reason (as in poor or shoddy) then people will eventually go back to using the local Uk builder.

It's cheaper because the economies of the country's that are supplying said cheap the labour are pisspoor, therefore they can afford to work for less, and still live like kings back home. Romania being an exact case in point.

And that in a nutshell is why the EU is destined to fail, I said pages and pages ago on this very thread that the whole system is floored fiscally as you have 3 principle main players UK, Germany,France propping up the economies of the rest of the member states, and inviting economic migrants at the same time it's a double whamy.

It's like buying a season ticket at a football ground where the facilities are the same wherever you sit, but then the club sells additional tickets after you bought yours for half the price, however those people that sit in the cheaper seats still get to see the same game you do but your paying through the nose so they don't have to, shyte analogy but hopefully you get the point.

It's a socialists wet dream and will fail.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Sep 17 1.26pm
Originally posted by dannyh It's cheaper because the economies of the country's that are supplying said cheap the labour are pisspoor, therefore they can afford to work for less, and still live like kings back home. Romania being an exact case in point. And that in a nutshell is why the EU is destined to fail, I said pages and pages ago on this very thread that the whole system is floored fiscally as you have 3 principle main players UK, Germany,France propping up the economies of the rest of the member states, and inviting economic migrants at the same time it's a double whamy. It's like buying a season ticket at a football ground where the facilities are the same wherever you sit, but then the club sells additional tickets after you bought yours for half the price, however those people that sit in the cheaper seats still get to see the same game you do but your paying through the nose so they don't have to, shyte analogy but hopefully you get the point. It's a socialists wet dream and will fail. No, that's a capitalist wet dream, by your metaphor, as its about the maximisation of capital. The socialist wet dream would be much more about calculating and arguing over exactly how to make 10,000 seats available to everyone, and who is to blame for the high cost of season tickets. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 Sep 17 1.26pm

Originally posted by dannyh

It's a socialists wet dream and will fail.

No, that's a capitalist wet dream, by your metaphor, as its about the maximisation of capital. The socialist wet dream would be much more about calculating and arguing over exactly how to make 10,000 seats available to everyone, and who is to blame for the high cost of season tickets.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Sep 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by dannyh It's cheaper because the economies of the country's that are supplying said cheap the labour are pisspoor, therefore they can afford to work for less, and still live like kings back home. Romania being an exact case in point. I work with a two development and test teams from Romania, and they hate coming to the UK. That said, they're quite well paid (Romania has a very burgeoning IT market). But yeah, effectively the cost of globalisation, has been to fking the working classes wages, by resorting to exactly the same kind of working practices and exploitation were common in previous centauries, in the UK. A 'solution' to that is Freedom of Movement, by which corporations encouraged people to come to the UK to fk the working classes wages, and be exploited here, saving the corporations the need to relocate offices to foreign countries. Either way, it aint the Migrant Workers that are the problem, its the people using them and paying them. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 Sep 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by dannyh

I work with a two development and test teams from Romania, and they hate coming to the UK. That said, they're quite well paid (Romania has a very burgeoning IT market).

But yeah, effectively the cost of globalisation, has been to f**king the working classes wages, by resorting to exactly the same kind of working practices and exploitation were common in previous centauries, in the UK.

A 'solution' to that is Freedom of Movement, by which corporations encouraged people to come to the UK to f**k the working classes wages, and be exploited here, saving the corporations the need to relocate offices to foreign countries.

Either way, it aint the Migrant Workers that are the problem, its the people using them and paying them.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Sep 17 1.31pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Fact. We now have to concern ourselves with a whole raft of issues that barely existed before mass immigration. As for bitching, One could equally acuse people of 'bitching' about Trump or fascists or 'racism' or The Tories or austerity blah balh blah. This is all just reductionism designed to avoid dealing with the complexity of actual reality. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Sep 2017 12.38pm) Such as? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 Sep 17 1.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Fact. We now have to concern ourselves with a whole raft of issues that barely existed before mass immigration.
As for bitching, One could equally acuse people of 'bitching' about Trump or fascists or 'racism' or The Tories or austerity blah balh blah.
This is all just reductionism designed to avoid dealing with the complexity of actual reality.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Sep 2017 12.38pm)

Such as?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Sep 17 1.49pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Such as? Here we go! It's all an unmitigated blessing, a utopia of diversity and vibrancy, no problems whatsoever. But just in case, we do need ever increasing numbers of laws to address perceived racism, equality etc, along with programs to try to stop various groups from blowing up kids concerts etc, trying to find out why certain groups have a near monopoly on knife, gun and drug crime. Campaigns to try to persuade certain groups to not genitally mutilate their children or kill them if they want to marry someone from another group. Alongside driving down of wages, taking jobs from people already here, exacerbating the housing crisis, straning the NHS, establishment of 'community' ghettos, schools whose primary task is now teaching children to speak English. Just a sample to be going on with. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 1.50pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Such as?

Here we go! It's all an unmitigated blessing, a utopia of diversity and vibrancy, no problems whatsoever. But just in case, we do need ever increasing numbers of laws to address perceived racism, equality etc, along with programs to try to stop various groups from blowing up kids concerts etc, trying to find out why certain groups have a near monopoly on knife, gun and drug crime. Campaigns to try to persuade certain groups to not genitally mutilate their children or kill them if they want to marry someone from another group. Alongside driving down of wages, taking jobs from people already here, exacerbating the housing crisis, straning the NHS, establishment of 'community' ghettos, schools whose primary task is now teaching children to speak English. Just a sample to be going on with.

Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 1.50pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Sep 17 1.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Such as? Is this where you tell me that none of Britain's current problems related to immigration are new? Nothing is new. That doesn't make it preferable or beneficial or false. I'd say what it should teach us is to not keep making the same mistakes. But of course, profit trumps common sense.
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28 Sep 17 1.52pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Such as?

Is this where you tell me that none of Britain's current problems related to immigration are new?

Nothing is new. That doesn't make it preferable or beneficial or false.

I'd say what it should teach us is to not keep making the same mistakes. But of course, profit trumps common sense.

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Sep 17 2.00pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Here we go! It's all an unmitigated blessing, a utopia of diversity and vibrancy, no problems whatsoever. But just in case, we do need ever increasing numbers of laws to address perceived racism, equality etc, along with programs to try to stop various groups from blowing up kids concerts etc, trying to find out why certain groups have a near monopoly on knife, gun and drug crime. Campaigns to try to persuade certain groups to not genitally mutilate their children or kill them if they want to marry someone from another group. Alongside driving down of wages, taking jobs from people already here, exacerbating the housing crisis, straning the NHS, establishment of 'community' ghettos, schools whose primary task is now teaching children to speak English. Just a sample to be going on with. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 1.50pm) Surely nearly all immigrants from non-English speaking countries since the Huguenots and before would have had to learn the language here. Glaswegian knife crime is a major problem I agree as it is in other parts of the country like London which is in areas with sizeable populations of black British youngsters. As for the laws they are just playing catch-up and dragging the establishment into modern day and more enlightened thinking. And as for blowing up people here - it's not various groups as you say is it but a specific one. IS. Over-population is a major problem but as oft mentioned if all immigration stopped tomorrow in the UK the population will still inexorably rise to over 70mill within 17 years. Old people not dying quickly enough. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 1.50pm)

Surely nearly all immigrants from non-English speaking countries since the Huguenots and before would have had to learn the language here. Glaswegian knife crime is a major problem I agree as it is in other parts of the country like London which is in areas with sizeable populations of black British youngsters.

As for the laws they are just playing catch-up and dragging the establishment into modern day and more enlightened thinking.

And as for blowing up people here - it's not various groups as you say is it but a specific one. IS.

Over-population is a major problem but as oft mentioned if all immigration stopped tomorrow in the UK the population will still inexorably rise to over 70mill within 17 years. Old people not dying quickly enough.

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