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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 22 10.07am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

WE seems reluctant to address his view that the current migrant crisis is " becoming untenable ".

WE :It's a bigger problem than can be solved by the Home Office alone. International action seems imperative to tackle the gangs. How we speed up the processing without compromising our obligations under international law must be a huge challenge, but we must try to do it as the situation is becoming untenable.

HKO : Becoming untenable? so we're not at the untenable stage yet?


So at what point does the situation become untenable?

If the post was in error that's fine, everyone makes mistakes

Edited by HKOwen (31 Oct 2022 12.17am)

Reluctant? No, just otherwise occupied!

It seems to have reached a crisis point in the last few days, given the attention it's now receiving. The overcrowding at the reception centre looks to be getting some kind of emergency response today.

It was becoming untenable, but now looks as if we might, just about, be able to manage again.

I heard on a radio 4 interview earlier that the Home Office have introduced several additional layers of bureaucracy in the last 2 years which has significantly showed down the processing, resulting in 96% of the illegal arrivals in 2021 still remaining unprocessed and being accommodated at our expense. What the motivation for that is remains unclear.

As the current surge appears to be from Albania, and Albanians are unlikely to be able to establish refugee status, speeding up their processing ought not be beyond us. Returning them swiftly would discourage others from following and disrupt the criminals behind this.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 22 10.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Well quite. Any intelligence agency worth its salt plays the long game. You have the ability to listen in on one PM's phone, then there is a good chance you have the ability to do it to the next one and the next. So the last thing you want is for them to know that.

Why on earth would you make it known that you managed to bug quite possibly the least influential British PM of all time? Beyond even the most basic of rational understanding of how these matters work.

Has anyone made it known? Assumptions have been made, but that's all.

Why do it to Truss?

If it was the Russians then they would have every motivation, given her gaffs with them.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Oct 22 11.06am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Reluctant? No, just otherwise occupied!

It seems to have reached a crisis point in the last few days, given the attention it's now receiving. The overcrowding at the reception centre looks to be getting some kind of emergency response today.

It was becoming untenable, but now looks as if we might, just about, be able to manage again.

I heard on a radio 4 interview earlier that the Home Office have introduced several additional layers of bureaucracy in the last 2 years which has significantly showed down the processing, resulting in 96% of the illegal arrivals in 2021 still remaining unprocessed and being accommodated at our expense. What the motivation for that is remains unclear.

As the current surge appears to be from Albania, and Albanians are unlikely to be able to establish refugee status, speeding up their processing ought not be beyond us. Returning them swiftly would discourage others from following and disrupt the criminals behind this.

And if Albania's application to join the EU is successful won't they be harder to return after they've been here legally for six months?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Oct 22 12.15pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The conditions at Manston, a Kent asylum seeker processing centre were caused directly by “car crash” decisions taken deliberately by a Conservative home secretary, one of the party’s own MPs has said.

Sir Roger Gale speaking out.

Whether its 'leaky Sue' or the previous one, cruelty is not a policy that's going to help, and all the zillions spent only made things worse.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 31 Oct 22 3.30pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The conditions at Manston, a Kent asylum seeker processing centre were caused directly by “car crash” decisions taken deliberately by a Conservative home secretary, one of the party’s own MPs has said.

Sir Roger Gale speaking out.

Whether its 'leaky Sue' or the previous one, cruelty is not a policy that's going to help, and all the zillions spent only made things worse.


This could be the end of cruella - to many mistakes- looks bad on rishi rice to- let Angie at her in an hour!Cruella was banned from working in the USA apparently- expired licence I think- and told lies about the speed of reporting her gaff- or gaffs- could be popcorn time again! I"m just getting over the hang over from lizzy drippings humiliating departure!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 31 Oct 22 3.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The MSM and Labour MPs suddenly concerned about Braverman and National Security are the same people who completely buried the story about Barry Gardiner accepting £425k from a Chinese spy.

 


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Matov Flag 31 Oct 22 6.02pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The MSM and Labour MPs suddenly concerned about Braverman and National Security are the same people who completely buried the story about Barry Gardiner accepting £425k from a Chinese spy.


To be honest, I never really understood how/why she got the job back in the first place.

The narrative around Sunak becoming PM was this notion of creating stability. Fine. But why then reinstate a Home Secretary who had just resigned due to a security, albeit supposedly minor/technical breach? Basic politicking nous tells you she will be in the firing line and any notion of somehow creating order from chaos vanishes.

I know I am boring, and possibly a little paranoid, but I cannot shake this notion that the Tories want out of Government. Just the act of reinstating Braverman makes little rational sense unless you actually want her to be slaughtered?

Make Sunak seem weak straight away and already making bad calls.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 31 Oct 22 6.27pm

Cruelella= saying the system is broken- after 12 years of CONservative rule- is she saying they just can"t hack it?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Oct 22 6.32pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The most pressing need is to recruit or assign case-workers and clear the huge backlog which is causing the pressure on accommodation and creates situations like Manston.

But no, not to a tory home secretary.

After 12 years she is saying the system is broken, really how surprising, and its because of people like her, a Truss like commons performance.

The cannot-do society.

As for the PM's 'profound economic crisis' did he not in part create it?

And doesn't it politically suit him?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Oct 22 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Cruelella= saying the system is broken- after 12 years of CONservative rule- is she saying they just can"t hack it?

The system may have been broken by net migration quadrupling between 1997 and 2010 to the tune of 2.2 million people.
No open door policy? Just as well or we'd be in a bad way by now.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 22 8.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And if Albania's application to join the EU is successful won't they be harder to return after they've been here legally for six months?

I don't see why, unless we re-join the EU.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Oct 22 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't see why, unless we re-join the EU.

Because it'll be easier for them to get to northern Europe than it is now and it might be harder to find people when they've disappeared for six months?

 

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