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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 7.23pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham I suspect there's quite a lot the Ruskies have been infiltrating that we don't know about yet. The Ruskies are choosing our next pm- just putting things in place, a leak here, a leak there!
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Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 7.23pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I suspect there's quite a lot the Ruskies have been infiltrating that we don't know about yet.

The Ruskies are choosing our next pm- just putting things in place, a leak here, a leak there!

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Teddy Eagle 30 Oct 22 7.33pm
Originally posted by croydon proud The Ruskies are choosing our next pm- just putting things in place, a leak here, a leak there! That'll be Sir Keir won't it? Then you can have a few years Lie-Bore posts.
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Teddy Eagle

30 Oct 22 7.33pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

The Ruskies are choosing our next pm- just putting things in place, a leak here, a leak there!

That'll be Sir Keir won't it? Then you can have a few years Lie-Bore posts.

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Matov 30 Oct 22 7.37pm
Suspect there is only one intelligence organisation able to bug a British PM's phone. And one a LOT closer to Westminster than Moscow. In fact, walking distance. And it is clear that Braverman is in play. Reckon she won't be sending out any ministerial Christmas cards this year. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

30 Oct 22 7.37pm

Suspect there is only one intelligence organisation able to bug a British PM's phone. And one a LOT closer to Westminster than Moscow. In fact, walking distance.

And it is clear that Braverman is in play. Reckon she won't be sending out any ministerial Christmas cards this year.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Teddy Eagle 30 Oct 22 7.49pm
Originally posted by Matov Suspect there is only one intelligence organisation able to bug a British PM's phone. And one a LOT closer to Westminster than Moscow. In fact, walking distance. And it is clear that Braverman is in play. Reckon she won't be sending out any ministerial Christmas cards this year. Charlie Richardson claimed he bugged the PMs office by bribing the cleaners to do it.
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Teddy Eagle

30 Oct 22 7.49pm

Originally posted by Matov

Suspect there is only one intelligence organisation able to bug a British PM's phone. And one a LOT closer to Westminster than Moscow. In fact, walking distance.

And it is clear that Braverman is in play. Reckon she won't be sending out any ministerial Christmas cards this year.

Charlie Richardson claimed he bugged the PMs office by bribing the cleaners to do it.

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 22 8.15pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham I suspect there's quite a lot the Ruskies have been infiltrating that we don't know about yet. Yeah, just the Russians, no other agencies would be interested. The Chinese, Americans, Israelis, Iranians, (insert country). Maybe it is the Russians, however, all this 'reds under the bed' stuff now seems like I'm living back in the eighties. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Oct 22 8.15pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I suspect there's quite a lot the Ruskies have been infiltrating that we don't know about yet.

Yeah, just the Russians, no other agencies would be interested. The Chinese, Americans, Israelis, Iranians, (insert country).

Maybe it is the Russians, however, all this 'reds under the bed' stuff now seems like I'm living back in the eighties.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 8.56pm
Originally posted by Matov Suspect there is only one intelligence organisation able to bug a British PM's phone. And one a LOT closer to Westminster than Moscow. In fact, walking distance. And it is clear that Braverman is in play. Reckon she won't be sending out any ministerial Christmas cards this year.
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Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 8.56pm

Originally posted by Matov

Suspect there is only one intelligence organisation able to bug a British PM's phone. And one a LOT closer to Westminster than Moscow. In fact, walking distance.

And it is clear that Braverman is in play. Reckon she won't be sending out any ministerial Christmas cards this year.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 8.57pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Charlie Richardson claimed he bugged the PMs office by bribing the cleaners to do it. Yeah Teddy, I remember that!
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Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 8.57pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Charlie Richardson claimed he bugged the PMs office by bribing the cleaners to do it.

Yeah Teddy, I remember that!

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Matov 30 Oct 22 9.54pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Charlie Richardson claimed he bugged the PMs office by bribing the cleaners to do it. A lot of difference between now and then. And I would assume those ministerial phones are actually issued directly to them by the British Intelligence infrastructure meaning they are undoubtedly listening in. Would the Russians like to be able to listen in? Of course. But this notion that they would be able to and then leak the fact to a Sunday newspaper is ludicrous. If you are a foreign intelligence agency and able to tap a PM's phone, you keep that utterly secret. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

30 Oct 22 9.54pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Charlie Richardson claimed he bugged the PMs office by bribing the cleaners to do it.

A lot of difference between now and then. And I would assume those ministerial phones are actually issued directly to them by the British Intelligence infrastructure meaning they are undoubtedly listening in.

Would the Russians like to be able to listen in? Of course. But this notion that they would be able to and then leak the fact to a Sunday newspaper is ludicrous. If you are a foreign intelligence agency and able to tap a PM's phone, you keep that utterly secret.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 10.12pm
Originally posted by Matov A lot of difference between now and then. And I would assume those ministerial phones are actually issued directly to them by the British Intelligence infrastructure meaning they are undoubtedly listening in. Would the Russians like to be able to listen in? Of course. But this notion that they would be able to and then leak the fact to a Sunday newspaper is ludicrous. If you are a foreign intelligence agency and able to tap a PM's phone, you keep that utterly secret. Why? If your purpose is either to sow dissatisfaction, disrupt democracy or remove a PM then leaking incriminating information may well suit your purposes, especially if you ensure the source is kept secret. There are many channels that someone like the Russians can use. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 10.12pm

Originally posted by Matov

Would the Russians like to be able to listen in? Of course. But this notion that they would be able to and then leak the fact to a Sunday newspaper is ludicrous. If you are a foreign intelligence agency and able to tap a PM's phone, you keep that utterly secret.

Why?

If your purpose is either to sow dissatisfaction, disrupt democracy or remove a PM then leaking incriminating information may well suit your purposes, especially if you ensure the source is kept secret. There are many channels that someone like the Russians can use.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 31 Oct 22 12.16am
WE seems reluctant to address his view that the current migrant crisis is " becoming untenable ". WE :It's a bigger problem than can be solved by the Home Office alone. International action seems imperative to tackle the gangs. How we speed up the processing without compromising our obligations under international law must be a huge challenge, but we must try to do it as the situation is becoming untenable. HKO : Becoming untenable? so we're not at the untenable stage yet? So at what point does the situation become untenable? If the post was in error that's fine, everyone makes mistakes Edited by HKOwen (31 Oct 2022 12.17am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 31 Oct 22 12.16am

WE seems reluctant to address his view that the current migrant crisis is " becoming untenable ".

WE :It's a bigger problem than can be solved by the Home Office alone. International action seems imperative to tackle the gangs. How we speed up the processing without compromising our obligations under international law must be a huge challenge, but we must try to do it as the situation is becoming untenable.

HKO : Becoming untenable? so we're not at the untenable stage yet?

So at what point does the situation become untenable?

If the post was in error that's fine, everyone makes mistakes

Edited by HKOwen (31 Oct 2022 12.17am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 31 Oct 22 12.18am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why? If your purpose is either to sow dissatisfaction, disrupt democracy or remove a PM then leaking incriminating information may well suit your purposes, especially if you ensure the source is kept secret. There are many channels that someone like the Russians can use. "Russians" are not a someone Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 31 Oct 22 12.18am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why?

"Russians" are not a someone

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Matov 31 Oct 22 7.39am
Originally posted by HKOwen "Russians" are not a someone Well quite. Any intelligence agency worth its salt plays the long game. You have the ability to listen in on one PM's phone, then there is a good chance you have the ability to do it to the next one and the next. So the last thing you want is for them to know that. Why on earth would you make it known that you managed to bug quite possibly the least influential British PM of all time? Beyond even the most basic of rational understanding of how these matters work. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

31 Oct 22 7.39am

Originally posted by HKOwen

"Russians" are not a someone

Well quite. Any intelligence agency worth its salt plays the long game. You have the ability to listen in on one PM's phone, then there is a good chance you have the ability to do it to the next one and the next. So the last thing you want is for them to know that.

Why on earth would you make it known that you managed to bug quite possibly the least influential British PM of all time? Beyond even the most basic of rational understanding of how these matters work.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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