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Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Oct 22 11.29am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Having an active, determined and innovative Home Secretary would be great. Having someone lacking compassion and with a chip on their shoulder not so.

With the issue of the flood of illegals crossing the channel, the criminal gangs organising it and the delays to the processing causing huge problems in accommodating them, we are obviously at a point which demands a rethink in several ways.

Apparently the cost of doing this is mopping up around half of our foreign aid budget, which is being diverted to pay for this. So the bill is actually being given to the poor in the developing world!

It's a bigger problem than can be solved by the Home Office alone. International action seems imperative to tackle the gangs. How we speed up the processing without compromising our obligations under international law must be a huge challenge, but we must try to do it as the situation is becoming untenable.

Totally agree with your last paragraph. Unfortunately many countries seem reluctant “to play ball” especially if they know migrants are determined to move on. What is the answer? I really don’t know

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Oct 22 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Having an active, determined and innovative Home Secretary would be great. Having someone lacking compassion and with a chip on their shoulder not so.

With the issue of the flood of illegals crossing the channel, the criminal gangs organising it and the delays to the processing causing huge problems in accommodating them, we are obviously at a point which demands a rethink in several ways.

Apparently the cost of doing this is mopping up around half of our foreign aid budget, which is being diverted to pay for this. So the bill is actually being given to the poor in the developing world!

It's a bigger problem than can be solved by the Home Office alone. International action seems imperative to tackle the gangs. How we speed up the processing without compromising our obligations under international law must be a huge challenge, but we must try to do it as the situation is becoming untenable.

What bill?

We don't owe the poor in other countries anything. Foreign aid is charity not a legal obligation. What that money is spent on needs to be looked at carefully as often it ends up in the back pocket of local politicians and never even gets to the poor.

In a time of economic crisis it is only right that the people of the UK query why we spend so much abroad when people here are in need.

 


One more point

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 29 Oct 22 4.38pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yvette Cooper will be thrilled with that idea.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 22 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

What bill?

We don't owe the poor in other countries anything. Foreign aid is charity not a legal obligation. What that money is spent on needs to be looked at carefully as often it ends up in the back pocket of local politicians and never even gets to the poor.

In a time of economic crisis it is only right that the people of the UK query why we spend so much abroad when people here are in need.

Whether you approve or not we have made commitments, some to relief agencies, that are not being met. We nave already reduced the % of gdp that is budgeted but now that is being raided to pay for this mess.

Personally I am proud of our contribution to try to improve the lives of people far less fortunate than ourselves.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Oct 22 7.02pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether you approve or not we have made commitments, some to relief agencies, that are not being met. We nave already reduced the % of gdp that is budgeted but now that is being raided to pay for this mess.

Personally I am proud of our contribution to try to improve the lives of people far less fortunate than ourselves.

Imagine how much it would be reduced if we still payed £13 billion to the eu.
You can’t have it both ways.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Oct 22 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether you approve or not we have made commitments, some to relief agencies, that are not being met. We nave already reduced the % of gdp that is budgeted but now that is being raided to pay for this mess.

Personally I am proud of our contribution to try to improve the lives of people far less fortunate than ourselves.

The aid programme is widely misunderstood. We don't just give money to countries but employ professionals like engineers
and agronomists to work there. That being said it's hard to justify aid packages to countries who are operating space programmes.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 29 Oct 22 9.16pm

Looks like lizzy dripping had her phone hacked at the CONservative CONference, another cock up by the CONS- THAT IS A D.I,S,G,R,A,C,E!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 22 9.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Imagine how much it would be reduced if we still payed £13 billion to the eu.
You can’t have it both ways.

Completely unconnected and irrelevant whataboutism!

In any case the saving of our direct contributions to EU administration must have been more than wiped out by the costs of our own additional administration, and loss of trade.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Oct 22 11.21pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Completely unconnected and irrelevant whataboutism!

In any case the saving of our direct contributions to EU administration must have been more than wiped out by the costs of our own additional administration, and loss of trade.


My figure is fact ; yours is actually whataboutism unless you can back it up with figures you just lost 1-0 like the saints today. Goodnight I’m off to beddy byes

 

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 29 Oct 22 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Looks like lizzy dripping had her phone hacked at the CONservative CONference, another cock up by the CONS- THAT IS A D.I,S,G,R,A,C,E!

I suspect there's quite a lot the Ruskies have been infiltrating that we don't know about yet.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 30 Oct 22 1.36am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Having an active, determined and innovative Home Secretary would be great. Having someone lacking compassion and with a chip on their shoulder not so.

With the issue of the flood of illegals crossing the channel, the criminal gangs organising it and the delays to the processing causing huge problems in accommodating them, we are obviously at a point which demands a rethink in several ways.

Apparently the cost of doing this is mopping up around half of our foreign aid budget, which is being diverted to pay for this. So the bill is actually being given to the poor in the developing world!

It's a bigger problem than can be solved by the Home Office alone. International action seems imperative to tackle the gangs. How we speed up the processing without compromising our obligations under international law must be a huge challenge, but we must try to do it as the situation is becoming untenable.

Becoming untenable? so we're not at the untenable stage yet?

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 30 Oct 22 6.56pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I suspect there's quite a lot the Ruskies have been infiltrating that we don't know about yet.

Indeed Henry- they know more about us than we do!

 

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