The referendum result was to leave.

It's a valid argument to talk in terms of 'what kind of leave' certainly but it wasn't a vote for a form of remain either.

Now your point about there is no majority for a 'no deal' is also a valid one....though I've seen a poll that amongst leavers it's the most popular option.

That said, it could be stated that many who voted remain weren't voting positively for the EU but rather in fear of it and would very much like it to change.

But there is zero chance of that, as with what we have seen with the EU's behaviour up to now....it is very much a majority vanity and federalist activist project which would rather crash and burn than alter.

Certain bureaucratic Politicans have been given huge amounts of power that they could never hope to have within their own countries and Turkeys don't vote for Xmas.

That's not to say that there isn't a significant voice of remainers who don't agree with this activist vision...but just that they have never held the helm and have no chance too.

The nature of the EU is to acquire more and more power over its 'states'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2019 12.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

But that’s my concern; there is no real discussion around what type of leave if we fill the cabinet exclusively with those happy to no-deal.

Whether it’s the most popular option with leavers or not, there is no majority for it.

The whole discussion has been very deliberately shifted into Brexit = No Deal, which was not even close to being the case at the point of the referendum.

Well, I have some sympathy with your view.....but I have to say, the opposite has been tried and look where we are. We had a remainer MP who went with a deal the EU wanted

Yet Labour still played the game to frustrate Brexit so playing the ball fairly as it should have been played has gone.

Labour want an election....and once Johnson is MP, I think it's only right to give them that.

I want something clear cut, leave the union or don't.

If Labour win the election then we will stay.....If Johnson wins then the MP make up should be sufficient to leave in a more forthright fashion.

That's how the election should be focused and.....while I've enjoyed the cut and thrust of the Brexit arguments these past few years......we really need to come to some resolution.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2019 12.22pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A good point on previous resignations.

I’d still question on what basis is no deal, or even a willingness to no deal, the agreed position, but understand the way you’ve framed it.

Boris Johnson is a silly bumbling utterly dishonest fool, but, he either can actually be shrewd at times or more likely has shrewd operators around him. Such as the people trying to not let him snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the leadership contest by actually letting him open his mouth much.

Does he really want to put his name on a no deal crash out of the EU, or is he just doing what Raab clearly alluded to which is keeping it there but not with any intention of actually doing it. Raab gave himself away and made it clear he wouldn't actually do it, he just genuinely wants it there on the table for the next round of failed unicorn talks with the EU.

Bercow will use all of his power to stop it and a constitutional crisis will be in play if Boris attempts to Prorogue parliament and lock the front gates, dragging Lizzie into the mix.

Does he have the balls for that, being the toff that he is? The Queen is kind of the Queen of toffs in a way so he would be throwing a fellow blue blood under the bus surely, which would bring dishonor on his name (a lot more than is already there). Its one thing to screw over plebs and commoners, but the Queen?

Has he got the minerals to walk into old Liz's chambers and ask that question?

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Good post.

The Queen has the right to prorogue parliament but I very much doubt she would exercise that right in this case. She has spent her life tip toeing around party politics and I can't see her getting involved now. The PM can recommend it but she does not have to take that advice.

One more point