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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Sep 17 11.44am | |
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This is how it is done properly
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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Sep 17 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
'Race' has nothing to do with anything. It is a red herring. There is always a financial element to everything but there is more to it. Yeah, it has, the 70s and the 80s for starters. Some people resent other cultures they deem negative be it religious, criminal or anti-social, rather than ascertain the degree to which they are negative in a religious, criminal or anti-social they soak up the media rather than actually think for themselves and realise that actually, in every generation there are a series of scape goats (whether its people on benefits, single mums, European workers, the blacks, muslims, refugees, Indians, travellers, gypsies, jews, the Irish and so on) - these people, then get to blaming these groups for their own short comings in life. Weak minded people - for whom their failure in life becomes a sequence of blaming everyone else, rather than doing something about it. They say its not race or ethnicity, but culture now days - and proclaim their culture (which isn't a real thing) as special - the darling little snowflakes of the right, always bitching about some other group they hold responsible. You see them all the time in every walk of life, people for whom, the problem is always 'someone else' - for their unhappy, stagnant life. Always thinking that this minority or that minority group have it better and are treated as superior to them. Its as bad as people who just bitch about the rich and the wealthy, without doing anything themselves to improve their own lives. If all someone can do is hate and denigrate others, that's a terrible misery they're carrying in their own lives. Now I get some people in certain groups are a problem - and that's true of just about every single group and culture in history and society.
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 11.53am | |
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It's quite a good one.
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 11.55am | |
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I think we should just accept that there will be no coming together and that what divides us is too great. I've accepted that now.
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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Sep 17 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think we should just accept that there will be no coming together and that what divides us is too great. I've accepted that now. That means Osama from his watery grave is winning as are elements on the Far Right. Keep fighting. For what we hold dear.
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That means Osama from his watery grave is winning as are elements on the Far Right. Keep fighting. For what we hold dear. At this point in the early afternoon that's only doughnuts.
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chesterfieldeagle 28 Sep 17 12.08pm | |
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Originally posted by PaddyMcPaddy
To counter act that how do you explain the rise in Anti-Semitism? Corbynites?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Sep 17 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I suppose human nature isn't that difficult, it's pretty consistent across all societies. Well its a generalisation. Human nature is incredibly complicated, but in terms of western Europe, this tends to be a common theme within capitalism - which makes sense. Our society is geared towards capitalism, so when capitalism fails people, it makes sense to some degree that they start to look and be attracted to ideas that are anti-capitalist (communism, anarchism, socialism, fascism, national socialism - much in the same way that Fuedalism gave way to agrarianism, and then capitalism). People are social creatures - and if we tacitly grow up in a capitalist society, when we feel that is failing us (such as in periods of economic downturn and recession) that alternatives become appealing. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If people feel threatened they react against the perceived threat, if they don't they don't. Those who hold ideologies and complain about human nature are about as realistic as King Canute was with the waves. I think that's quite true. The problem is that the perceived threat is a more modern concept, and in a large part its maladaptive, because the threats we're so concerned about are actually fairly minimal - and things we probably can't actually do anything about. On a biological level, fear is generally to do with threats in the immediate vicinity - Predators, warring tribes etc. In truth, being afraid of Islamist terrorism is absurdly irrational - The threat is minimal and on an individual level that fear, which is continual - Creating a long term stressor. See fear is a good thing, on a primal level, because it activates the flight or fight responses, which is a vital survival trait. Problem is, its only really beneficial in short term activity - and in long term activation creates all kinds of problems from the fact that it works by sacrificing long term survival for short term survival (which makes sense on a primitive basis). But if you're 'afraid' all the time, its detrimental. It affects the capacity of the brain and body. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I like your last paragraph but this country has been badly let down by its immigration policy. We have taken in too many people who are anti secularist....as the massive increase in our security funding has shown. The failure of any system is always inherent not its it's ideals, but its regulation. Immigration is necessary for countries to operate and prosper, and the UK immigration policy effectively has been hijacked by the EU Freedom of Movement - which has led to an explosive growth in temporary workers - without sufficient compensation for the public citizens - So much so that EU migrants that have since become citizens complain about the process. All policy has to serve the society to which it belongs, and by serving corporate needs, freedom of movement is toxic to the UK. Its the problem of the idealism of Free Market without restrictions and regulation, towards goal driven ends, there is no control over the change and consequences. People generally aren't really angry about the Immigrants, they're angry about the impact its had on their lives - notably because no provision or control was in place to serve social functions. Prior to Freedom of movement - Immigration was always an issue, but never really became a real impact problem for society - which is why the 'hate factors' where generally restricted to groups in society based around anti-capitalism (National Front, SWP - anti-capitalist groups - as people find capitalism failing to fulfil the needs and basic wants, those arguments always seem more reasonable.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Sep 17 12.11pm | |
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Originally posted by chesterfieldeagle
Corbynites? Oh ha ha.
People blur the line between anti Jewish government policy and anti semetism too easily.
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PaddyMcPaddy 28 Sep 17 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
BUT where is that being driven from, you could argue that cheap immported labour from the far side of the EU is responsible for driving wages down, not up. and for people not being hired as the employer knows Johnny Polak will do twice the hours for half the money. It's a false economy anyway, as most of the Poles I know hardly spend a penny here, and send all the money home to Poland. You simply can't argue this doesn't happen. Works both ways to an extent. Cheaper labour provides the consumer with a better deal so therefore that local consumer is better off. It might cause issues with the UK national builder and drive his cost downs but then maybe they have been over charging for too long. If foreigners come over and provide the same service for cheaper then maybe you need to look at yourself and say maybe you are doing something wrong? That said if it cheaper for a reason (as in poor or shoddy) then people will eventually go back to using the local Uk builder.
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PaddyMcPaddy 28 Sep 17 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh ha ha.
People blur the line between anti Jewish government policy and anti semetism too easily. That might be more down to his "friends" at Hamas and Hezbollah. Let's not be too naive. If Corbyn was found out to be a full anti semtie, would you honestly be that surprised? Let me clarify this, I am not saying he is, just I wouldn't be surprised if he was. That's the truth of the matter.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Sep 17 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Divisive? Do you feel divisive when you hear the opposition's anthem then? God, how this country has changed. No, but rival football fans do, especially England fans when they routinely boo the oppositions anthem. I just feel bored when the anthems are played, what's the point of them? Same with medal ceremonies, I would just ask for mine to be sent in the post. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 12.25pm)
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