Best news I've heard since the beginning of this thread. There's now renewed hope for the future English school population. If you continue maybe you could wear a disclaimer.

Edited by MikeT (22 Jul 2015 6.19pm)

Honestly. What a stupid thing for someone to be defending so vigorously. But then again, the "there's no white privilege if my boss isn't white" thing, and the "I'm going to wear the Confederate flag just to piss people like you off" thing.

Ever since the amazing Ku Klux Klan rally footage appeared the other day, whenever I see stirling post I hear sousaphone accompaniment. Derp derp, the flag means different things and deserves a disclaimer derp derp.

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Mmmm....Personal and nasty.

Not normally rude, but this is a special case. Assume you've read all the 28 pages of this thread?

The T is as irrelevant as the 'Says' in Sterling or the 'wall' in kingdowieonthe.

'People who fought for the South were fighting for the maintenance of slavery'.

No, the end result of an action does not equal the motivation for that action. For example the people who voted in Hollande were not voting for the collapse of the economy even if that was the end result.

'many German soldiers were not Nazis, but they fought for the Nazi course nonetheless'

This statement that non Germans fought for the Nazi cause is simplistic. No, they fought for many different reasons but the unifying one was nationalism.

German society was destroyed after WW2, especially the parts under Soviet control. Most people would fight for their way of life.

Your summaries may work in your head but they don't speak for others.

Going back to slavery it didn't really end with the civil war....It continued by the use of forced labour under the guise of mostly pretend jail sentences.....It was slavery in all but name.

Jefferson did nothing about it. It partly proves that just like the confederate flag doesn't just carry a single slavery narrative nor does the civil war carry a single narrative....There were other additional reasons for it.

Lincoln nor Jefferson treated black people equally and there is historical evidence to back that up.....The civil war wasn't just about slavery......So you stating that people were fighting for this.....or that people were fighting for that....is simplistic.

So I'm not dancing nor do I wish to change facts. Instead I wish to present history as it is....Not how some wish to see it.

When I said, 'people like yourself' I didn't intend to insult. Instead I wished to describe those you hold your view.....You yourself are choosing to see that as pejorative.

'Furthermore, the straw man argument that somehow I claimed the people who waived the flag were evil is also a crock. Don't make up lies to support your argument. I never said that, and you know it.'

I didn't say 'you' claimed the people who waived the flag were evil....You really should read the text before going on about straw man arguments. I simply said that there was an attitude going around that people waving the Confederate flag were evil...I didn't say that this was 'your' attitude.

I think that's been backed up by the reaction to this latest mindless mass murder by some opponents to the flag....Where a connection between supporting evil inhumanities like slavery and waving the General Lee has been made.....And I'd say supporting slavery is evil.

The reasons people choose to wave flags need to be ascertained with some flags....That's actually a part of our law....This flag has a past of being used in country music and southern entertainment shows of the past that intended no racism......I'm pretty sure that if you asked for the reason most people fly a flag they are going to tell you.....I don't support the idea of telling others what their flag represents when they say it represents something else.

People can fly the General Lee and not support slavery or racism.....Like I said, a disclaimer would work for that.

Though I'd never fly it myself.....It doesn't represent me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2015 5.01pm)